By Beauty Damned

At least they're not as bad as the Budhists.

Huh?

And it's spelled "B-U-D-D-H-I-S-T," genius. I think the shortbus is leaving now. Don't get left behind, or you'll be stuck here with the scary Buddhist!

sometimes i'm so glad i live in a sane and tolerant place like San Francisco...

that asshat Phelps came out here during our gay marriage celebrations and got right in the faces of a lot of the couples. what a dipsh*t. i'm surprised he wasn't lynched -- but then he probably would've wanted that. in his own twisted mind it would have made him a martyr for his cause. i've never been able to understand where he or his followers are coming from. if there's a common concept to all religions it usually is tolerance and acceptance (although it's those who interpret the teachings that seem to get it wrong). it makes you wonder what ol' Mr Phelps is in denial from. perhaps he has a skeleton in his own closet, trying to get out, that he's afraid to come to grips with? and instead of confronting his own problems he's acting out in anger at those he'd really like to be more like? JMHO. but i've got a good friend who's brother (after having been quietly kicked out of the Air Force a few years back) is one of the biggest haters you'll ever meet.

you further illustrate why christians are fucked. It's that old "be like me" OR I'LL FUCKIN' KILL YA!

Great post "P".

I misspelled Buddhist? And it only took you 11 minutes to catch the mistake? I'm not certain it's a spelling error, but considering your profession gravitates around spellchecking, I'll take your word for it.

The "Short Bus"? I like the ring. Sounds like a better name than the "Leper Colony" considering the cast of morons that frequent this fishwrapper.

The "cast of morons" consists largely of republicans. Imagine that. If it's a leper colony, why don't you make like a limb and fall off?

Maria made a funny.

Weak.

BURN.

I thought the "short bus" comment was funny!!! I use that one all the time. One way I make my kid straighten up in public, if he's acting goofy, is to tell him that if he doesn't stop people will think he belongs on the short bus. He straightens right the fuck up. :-)

you further illustrate why christians are fucked.

ah yes. all Christians are fucked. nothing like sweeping generalizations. good job. you've further illustrated just how tolerant YOU are, hypocrite.

and by the way, Maria. since you're on such a spelling tear today, hypocisy is spelled with an S. better change the subject line below this one before you look like a um... oh yeah.. hypocrite.

hypocrisy.
fucking typo.
*open mouth, insert foot*

I guess we're even then.

I always have a hard time with that word. And I am guilty of inserting apostrophes where they don't belong, very occasionally. But I have to give Gordon shit because he comes here just to be a sourpuss. I normally do not correct people on their spelling on my blog. God knows there's plenty of fouling up of the english language around these parts...

I constantly type its and it's incorrectly even though I know the damn difference. and I'm very bad about proofreading.

I remember when you posted this and I'm just as disturbed by it now as I was a year ago. Where is the love man...where is the love? This is beyond sad..it's frightening.

If it's a leper colony, why don't you make like a limb and fall off?

Posted by Maria at November 15, 2004 09:45 PM
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Mom and I fucking died when we read this. Tears pouring out of my eyes.

Hey I just wrote something cute called "White Man Tweaks With Forked Tongue -- The Government Induced Speed Plague" that's on mom's board at the link below.

I don't know what it is about the "religiously righteous." As I have said in the past, I consider myself spiritual and in a intimate relationship with Jesus. It is my own personal private thing.
Why? I came to this way of worship through many different religious cultural experiences. I have not only been to synagouges, churches even taoist temple, but I have sat and listened to the conversations in th various breakout comittees of these congregations. I have sat in the houses of some of these institutions "most faithful." In quest to satisfy my agnostic thirst - to find a group I could most identify with, I came away with one constant - they all believe they are right.

Why is this a bad thing? Because they are so entrnched in their own isoltaed beliefs, that not only does nobody else's philosophy matter, but unless you believe in their arm of faith, you are an idiot. (Kind of like how we bicker here). I remember one strecth of a few weeks I decided to try to visit as many different services as I could. Not for the service mind you, but for the "coffee hour" afterwards. This is where the meat and potatoes gets served.

I don't know if it is the elated feeling of righteousness after the service or what, but these people put themselves up on their high horses and go to work. In one luthern church, I listened as they went on a catholic bashing spree which then turned into a baptist bash. That next friday, I went to a 5oclock mass at a catholic church (for those who didn't want to ruin their weekend) and the homily focused on something that had to do with a very holy sabbath for the Jews that saturday. Afterwards, I listened to the many anti-semtic comments made after the mass (no real discussion, just kike this, heb that, and hitler had the right idea blah blah blah). Unlike the lutherns who at least had some substance to their bigotry, the catholics were just being catholic (I must note, this was in an irish catholic neighborhood in philly, so we aren't talking about the worlds most articulate folks). That saturday, I went to a friends temple for synagouge. Afterwards at coffee hour, it seemed like the rabbi wasn't done. While this wasn't a strict hassidc (spelling?) sect, they were fairly orthodox. Orthodox enough for the rabbi to get into a fit of controlled rage about how the non-orthodox jews were "as useless as christians" and may as well "go get baptised." Then, someone asked about the jews for jesus movement. You may as well have put a dagger in this guys eye. He cursed out that person who asked about it as if the guy took a dump in a torah scroll.
That next sunday, my first stop was an early 7am order of st. francis catholic mass. I figured if I got one of the most liberal orders with probably the truly devoute catholics (the ones sober enough or not hungover or plain lazy). There were very few of them. I stayed for a bit afterwards talking with them, and nice as they were when they asked me who I was and "what parish I was with" (because I obviosuly didn't belong there) I told them I was not affiliated with any religion, I am just observing, all of a sudden, the smiles left and I may as well have not existed.
Later that morning, I ventured to a black baptist service. This was probably the most lively and fun service I was ever at. Singing, dancing, and true conviction as people praised, cried, laughed and just did what I think all people of faith should do - enjoy one anothers company and worship in happiness. None of the "formalities" needed. As soon as the pastor told everyone to go in peace, it seemed so did their good will. That nastiness of the women because "so and so wore a more expensive dress than me" and "oh look at earl, he thinks he is all that because he has that new town car." This was more about a fashion show and a who drives a better car than anything. While they were very welcoming to a white boy and it was a fun time, i quickly learned what it was all about there.
FInally, later in that week, I asked a good friend of mine if I was allowed to come to one of his meetings with this temple. He practiced some form of chinese taoism. I cannot remember the arm he practiced, but I do remember it was a large group. While I was not allowed to sit in on much of the prayers, I was allowed to partake in the discussion. I asked how their philosophies fit in with the major religions and they said they try to be tolerant about it. They said they feel left out and jaded. Soon, that conversation started to get heated as they assumed I was a member of one of those religions and started to get hostile. I quickly learned that they are as closed minded to other thoughts as anyone else.
I should mention that I tried to pay homage to the muslim religion. I mentioned one before in a post that I used to live next to a very elegant mosque down in NC. TO no avail, I was not even allowed very far in the parking lot. They wouldn't even allow me to speak to anyone. Most I got was "this is private propoerty, if your not a member, please leave." They wouldn't even talk to me.

These experiences left me very frustrated and extrmely disenfranchised with organzied religion. So, you can see why the "morally right" really bugs me. It seems the people who toot their moral horns the loudest are probably the biggest hipocrites around.

Bottom line - I don't buy any of their bullshit. So for those sitting here reading this and commenting in favor of the "morally right" you can kiss my amoral ass. You want to be a good follower of God? Why not try paying more attention to your loved ones then bickering over a verse in a bible on wednesday nights.

Nunya - Is it religion or is it people? I will argue it is a basic tendency of people to build themselves up by tearing the other guy down. In my experience it seems to span cultures. Redo your "experiment" in sports bars. You'll find out how great their favorite team is, how terrible the other teams are, about the fool coaches, and how this player should have been a hall of famer but nobody had any brains. And if you visit the Portugese bars along the wharf in New Bedford you'll find out how American football players are wimps because they wear protective equipment. Real men play soccer and they aren't afraid to get hurt.

People are very interesting.

"Is it religion or is it people"

What is the difference? Afterall religion is a man made thing. God never made religion. My personal beliefe is God never intended for there to be such formalities. Religion is littered with so much hipocritical dogma, right in the very scriptures themselves, that there really is no difference between the people and the religion. In that sense, religion is just a mirror of the people.
Just like anything is really.

Maria,
The whole thing just makes me sad. And the scariest part is that these are the same people who voted for George Bush because of his "good Christian values."

It's even sadder than you think. Phelps and his ilk hate George Bush and Republicans. He supported Gore in 2000 and Kerry this time. He and his ilk are from your group of your fanatics. Not ours.

Now THAT'S shocking, Rosemary. Those people are beyond sick in the head.

"ah yes. all Christians are fucked. nothing like sweeping generalizations. good job. you've further illustrated just how tolerant YOU are, hypocrite" - "girl"

No actually the only "hypcritical" stance I could take is to say that NOT all 'christians are fucked'. Nothing 'sweepingly general' about christians these days other than their usual 50-odd year swipe at the annihilation of any religious/soical positions that contradict their own. Ah yes. The frightend flock. God save us from thinking and having to rely on our won innate sense of decency to formulate a valid viewpoint.

Quick Elmer! "Get the bible!! Not sure where I come down on this issue! Should we sacrifice our firstborn??"

Fucking morons.

Now settle down you pip squeak. You're in the minor leagues.

Holy cow. This guy Phelps is totally wack (thanx for the link Rosemary). I get the heebie jeebies just reading their site.

Rosemary - I found where he said he would not support Bush (or the flag, or fags, or or or ... the man has issues, serious issues). But I didn't read him directly supporting Kerry. Got a link on that one? Thanx!

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who would convert to Frisbeetarian before joining his flock. Frisbeetarians believe when you die your soul goes up on the roof and can't get down.

Now settle down you pip squeak. You're in the minor leagues.

don't talk to me like I'm a child, shit for brains. you know full well that not all Christians are like you described but you won't buck up and admit it b/c it would ruin that little argument you have going up there. keep it up. you're only making yourself look more and more hypocrital as you continue to speak.

I can feel the love. Can you feel the love? I can definitely feel it.

Wait ... never mind.

I know nothing of the sort... I go by my own experienc fool.

Now keep still you "bi-sexual" (ugh) hetero-male pandering marionette.

God... women who profess to be "bisexual" like that moron "LisaS" of Trite Voices just to perpetuate the myth of lesbian chic. Jerks.

As the old adage goes "anything to get a man".

B-O-R-I-N-G

HAHAHA. wow. you really are a fucking idiot. thank you for proving that all by your little self. and keep up the personal insults, douchebag. trust me, you will regret it.

yeah, watch out, she will get her vampyric boyfriend to port probe your system!