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go on over to the house of smacked asses. they think the turn out is in support of the GOP's more "freer" speech.
Those turd cakes will spin ANYTHING to their favor.

I found a pic of "gordon" while he was watching the RNC on tv right here

Good one Nunya.

Maria,
Too bad they don't have a cage for everyone.

Nunya, that was truly disgusting. I have to go wash my eyes out with soap now.

Gordon, I think it's highly ironic that people like you wish that protestors would be put in cages or silenced, and yet you preach about removing dictatorial and totalitarian regimes in other countries. I think you should convert to radical islam and move to Saudi Arabia or Kuala Lumpur or South Korea, or some other place where people aren't allowed to speak their minds about the government. It seems to me that is the type of society that you would prefer: one where people are not free to speak out against the government (and women are not so vocal about their opinions). See, you want to be free to speak when you have something to say or to protest if you decide it is the only way to get your message across, but you don't want to allow others the same freedom. I don't get it. How is that patriotic? And why would you claim to be so gung ho about promoting democracy in other countries when you don't even want democracy in the United States unless it is among those who agree with you!?!? It's funny don't you think?

Maria - that is the neocon philosophy for you. Amazing, aint it?

"Gordon, I think it's highly ironic that people like you wish that protestors would be put in cages or silenced...."

Ha Ha Ha! What a pair of dimwits. The "irony" just soared right over your collective heads.

Oh God, you're funny Maria! Open mouth and insert foot!

By the way NeoCUNT, I have to really wonder why you havepics of men jerking off saved on your hard drive but I was thinking of a better title -

How about "Coach Nunya gives direction to his daughter's softball team."

All kidding aside NeoCUNT, you got some serious issues. *edited*.

Maria, after all your prancing last month about being the nice police - I'm surprised you allowed him to link that.

care to prove I am a sexual predator, "gordon" or should I start having the law involved in your false accusations and libel? (you can't edit the posts here pal, so you better be careful)

I'm pretty sure that you can't sue and charge libel, when you are using an alias. You might have a case if you were posting as yourself and could show that your reputation was damaged. Since none of us knows "who" you are then you can't show any damage.

and none of you will ever know "who" i am. much as dickwad Geoff Allen claims he can get all of that information from road runner, the fact is, they aren't going to give information out about a user because some turd cake from Maine/Mass. wants to know.
Regardless, I am not one who thinks it is the best of ideas to be broadcasting real identities out onto a wordl wide public forum and then bitch and moan when something negative happens as a result of it. You want to set up a soap box and shout from your pulpit, then be prepared to take the lumps that comes with it.
I for one, am not prepared to do that because I have been around long before the Net became mainstream, (pre NSF selling out days) and watch how EVERYTHING is sucked up into neat and highly searchable archives (the wonders of relational databases) and wish not to have someone try to hold something I said 10 years ago against me.
See unlike the conservative train wreck that thinks it is a bad idea to change your mind (you call it flip flopping) I think it is essential for human progess that people change their minds. Who know, 10 years from now, I may be ultra ring wing person running for office and things I have said today can be held against. It is as if it is a crime to change your mind in this country. (i highly doubt I will ever be that stupid to go to the right, but who knows, I may get bumped on the head and get amnesia).

My point was that you can show damage because your anonimity prevents your reputation from damage.

That is all.

Go ahead and press charges you fucking freak. Want me to show your family and friends the kind of sick shit you have posted on this and several other sights.

You claim to be a community leader - Cub Scout guy and softball coach and whatever other bullshit you probably made up. I'd love to see the parents faces when they see the kind of shit you post on blogs. How about that infant with the dickhead you posted on my blog three months ago? Remember I told you that if you EVER, and I mean EVER fucking posted *edited* shit like that on any blog again - I'd have the authorities track you down by your IP? Remember how you stayed away from my site for the month that followed?

Libel my ass, I got PROOF you fucking cornhole. Call me on it, I dare you.

Regardless, I am not one who thinks it is the best of ideas to be broadcasting real identities out onto a wordl wide public forum

Of course you aren't. It's probably against your parole to use the internet. Isn't that what happens to you *edited*? *edited*?

I for one, am not prepared to do that because I have been around long before the Net became mainstream, (pre NSF selling out days) and watch how EVERYTHING is sucked up into neat and highly searchable archives (the wonders of relational databases) and wish not to have someone try to hold something I said 10 years ago against me.

Translation: I'm a pussy and mom will get mad if she finds out.

Nunya's got nothing to say on this thread.

Huh?
*edited by your mama*

"Ha Ha Ha! What a pair of dimwits. The "irony" just soared right over your collective heads."

Gordon, it is obvious that you have no idea what is going on in NY right now. How bout pulling your head out of your ass for once?

Of course I know what's going on. I watch the news, I read the paper. Tens of thousands of people have taken to the streets to exercise their right to freedom of speech vice the people that were "allowed" to get locked in a cage surrounded by armed national guardsman and castine wire to "express" themselves at the DNC.

What you're seeing in New York, allthough I disagree with the protester's message, is what AMERICA is all about.

Why did the Democrats choose to violate our citizen's right to free speech Maria? After your 08:19 PM, I'm beginnining to think that you may hate what you're party is.

Shut it, Gordon, you know not your ass from a hole in the ground. And it is clear that you have no idea what protestors in NY are going through right now. They are being arrested by the hundreds for taking to the streets. Innocent bystanders just WATCHING the protests are being thrown in jail. A thousand people were arrested last night Gordon. People who were not being violent. Were peacefully protesting. Cops are getting violent with protestors and throwing huge orange nets over them to corral people in to be arrested. Talk about being treated like animals!!! You have no idea what is going on here! All you know is what little convoluted shit you see on your local news or in the paper or in perusing articles on the internet. YOU KNOW NOTHING about what is happening in the streets in NY.

And as to why the "Democrats chose to violate your right to free speech..." I think you need to get your facts straight. Do a little research before you start accusing the Dems of being the ones responsible for the cages in Boston. I don't think it's right, the way that protestors were suppressed there, but you definitely need to check with the City of Boston about that one. Not the democratic party.

I thin you need to shut it. You're full of shit about New York. What you write contadicts every major news source out there.

I smell bullshit.

I think you need to shut it. You're full of shit about New York. What you write contadicts every major news source out there.

I smell bullshit.

That's funny. Since I'm here and you're not. You honestly think what you read in the news is more accurate than what we are seeing with our own eyes?

Hundreds arrested, but no violence as protesters flood streets of New York

NYC Police Arrest Nearly 1,000 Protesters

Protesters, Lawyers Criticize Convention Arrests

The Associated Press
September 1, 2004

NEW YORK -- Police wrapped demonstrators and an entire midtown Manhattan block in orange netting Tuesday to control anti-GOP protests, arresting more than 270 people across the city as activists massed in the streets for a march to the site of the Republican convention

Now start eating your hat Gordon. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

"That's funny. Since I'm here and you're not. You honestly think what you read in the news is more accurate than what we are seeing with our own eyes?"

Well I guess you need to shut it about Iraq and the War on Terror or anything elase that doesn't occur in NYC huh?

I like your logic. I think you should remove 99.9% of your posts now since you're not qualified to speak on the matters anymore.

Weren't you just discussing what happened at the DNC in Boston? You weren't there were you?

Look who's going on the attack now that he's been proven wrong. You dumbass. Why don't you just admit that you don't know what you're talking about instead of avoiding the fact that you just got spanked?

I never professed to know what is going on in the streets of Iraq, other than what I see on the news and read on the internet and in papers. But I would definitely defer to eyewitness statements and the stories of those who are there over something I read in the paper. Which is why I like Salam Pax and Riverbend. I prefer firsthand accounts to mainstream news reports.

The funny thing is, that all the things I told you WERE reported! You're just too obstinate to admit you're wrong. Too bad.

Thanks for the links but I've already read the same or similar ones. Let's review a few of your claims...

"Cops are getting violent with protestors."

"They are being arrested by the hundreds for taking to the streets."

"Innocent bystanders just WATCHING the protests are being thrown in jail."

"People who were not being violent."

Again, I reiterate, I have yet to see a credible news source share the same story you have.

How's that hat taste?

"Talk about being treated like animals!!!"

"Talk about being treated like animals!!!"

Well I agree on this account, but I was thinking of the people that the Democrats stuck in a cage in Boston.

"Talk about being treated like animals!!!"

Well I agree on this account, but I was thinking of the people that the Democrats stuck in a cage in Boston.

You truly are one of the most deluded people I have ever come into contact with Gordon.

Published on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 by the Associated Press
Protesters, Lawyers Criticize Convention Arrests


NEW YORK -- Protesters arrested for demonstrating against the Republican National Convention had been manhandled by police and were kept in a dingy holding facility for as long as 30 hours without adequate legal representation, according to attorneys with the National Lawyers Guild.

Members of the guild held a press conference Monday alleging that police had prevented arrestees from consulting with lawyers and that some were held beyond the legal limit of 24 hours before being brought before a judge or issued a summons.

Yetta Kurland, a guild member, said reports of mistreatment of protesters included a complaint that an eight-week pregnant woman had not been given food or drink and a complaint that a woman with a broken foot was among five detained women daisy chained together.

Protesters and lawyers volunteering as legal observers to oversee protesters' rights said officers had treated them roughly, and complained about conditions at Pier 57, a former parking garage where arrestees are processed.

"I was heavily thrown to the ground - although I did have my legal observer hat on - by a police officer," observer Simone Levine said at the press conference.

Some protesters said there were only two portable toilets at the pier and that holding pens were circled with razor wire.

Since protests began Thursday, 548 people have been arrested, mostly on misdemeanor charges.

City Councilman Charles Barron said he was outraged that lawyers were being prevented from meeting with arrested protesters.

He also complained about police use of nets to trap and then arrest protesters.

"We're not animals," he said.

In a statement, NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said officers had been "restrained and professional throughout. The single largest factor in delaying the release of arrested demonstrators is their refusal to identify themselves."

Contrary to some protesters' accounts, Browne said those arrested had been allowed to make telephone calls.

© 2004 Copyright Associated Press

Gordon has the hardest time with the truth.

You have got to be kidding me? Of course the people that get arrested are going to make false claims. A few people lie about being mishandled and you're gullable enough to beleive them after only having heard one side of the story? Get real.

Get some proof, hearsay from the likes of nunya doesn't count.

I'm not going to argue with a dumb motherfucker who is hundreds of miles away from NYC and doesn't have even the slightest clue what's going on here. It's pathetic listening to you claim that you know something about what is happening here in the streets than I do. You are so out of it Gordon, it borders on sad and ridiculous for you to continue asserting your "knowledge" of what's happening here. If you took a walk around this city last night you would have seen all of these things taking place. You would have seen people who were walking down the street and gawking to watch protesters, being hauled away like the rest of them. You would have seen people, ENTIRE CITY blocks of people being corraled in nets like animals and carted off to jail. You are so fucking confused, Gordon and I have this terrible feeling that there's nothing you can do about it. You simply have no idea what it is that you're talking about and you are in the most outrageous state of denial when it comes to REALITY. Truly pathetic to watch.

"One of those arrested late Tuesday at a demonstration was a 19-year-old man who was seen on a videotape assaulting a detective a day earlier, police said."

"While protesters at the Democratic National Convention (search) in Boston were largely complimentary of the police, the story was much more mixed in New York. Both sides were wary of one another, and police and protesters videotaped the rallies, capturing protesters' faces and cops' faces and badge numbers."

"It's pathetic listening to you claim that you know something about what is happening here in the streets than I do."

Less pathetic than hearing you speak on the War on Terrorism and Iraq. What's pathetic is how you actually live in New york and don't have a fucking clue what's really going on around you.

Like I said earlier, you can't stand behind your claims. You're either bullshitting or outright lying, I'm not sure which.

Maybe a lobotomy would help you. Perhaps someone could remove the part of your brain that renders you incapable of processing facts and comprehending reality. Do you think that all the things that have been reported in the national press and on my local news stations and what I've seen with my own eyes is all a fabrication? Is all of this occurring in a parallel universe? You definitely have some kind of serious psychological impairment Gordie. I really think you ought to have it checked out.

And you have an issue separating emotion and bullshit from FACTS.

A fact is that 1000 people were arrested. Claiming the cops were violent and hundreds of innocents were wrongly accused amongst that crowd is just your or someone else's opinion. Several statements have been made that directly contradict your agenda laden OPINIONS.

You're a big girl Maria, now learn how to separate opinion from fact. Can you imagine if the lawyers you work for presented nothing but opinions to the court room? They'd be laughed at. (Kinda like I'm laughing at you right now)

Once again Gordon, you have no idea what you're talking about. Many legal observers have backed these claims. And if you knew what the fuck you were talking about, you would know that many of the attorneys didn't represent any of the arrested parties, but were at the protests because they were "legal observors" and it was their job to observe the protests. Many "legal observors" were arrested too. All for just standing there.

Do you even know what the charges are that are being pressed against the people arrested Gordon? Do you know the circumstances of their arrests? I do. NY1 reported that people were being arrested by the hundreds for "blocking the sidewalk." The cops would corral people off the sidewalk and in to the street, where they would be caught in large orange nets and hauled off to jail. The majority of people arrested were not doing anything. Just exercising their constitutional right to peacefully stand and protest.

Meanwhile, you're so uninformed that you believe people are being arrested because they were being "disorderly" when that is just the charge that they slap people with for standing on the street or the sidewalk during a demonstration. You really need to GET informed so you don't go looking stupid, shooting your mouth off about something you're totally clueless about.

Bring something more to the table than hearsay.

I just decided you aren't lying, you're just stupid.

"shooting your mouth off about something you're totally clueless about"

Like everytime you discuss foreign policy?

Oh yeah, I'm still wondering why you have your panties in a bunch over the criminal behavior of the violent protestors that have been arrested. Are you somehow tying this to the RNC as though they are responsible?

Do you even know what the charges are that are being pressed against the people arrested Gordon? Do you know the circumstances of their arrests?

Did any get arrested for putting a cop in the hospital?

You guys look so stupid.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/9567021.htm

A judge ordering the release of some of the protesters makes us look stupid? Are you ignoring the fact that the majority of them are STILL GUILTY OF BREAKING THE LAW?

Look at her dodge the hard questions. Nunya puts up a better fight than her.

Gordon, I really wish you weren't so dumb. It makes it so difficult for you to navigate simple concepts. Every little thing needs to be explained fifty times until your feeble little brain can latch on to it, desperately grapple to comprehend and then reject it because it's just too darn difficult. It's really sad.

And if it is breaking the law to excercise your constitutional right to gather and protest, then yes, these people broke the law. Other than that, the majority of them did nothing to warrant arrest. Oh man, I guess your brain is going to have to start that long trek again with that one so I'll give you a minute.

What were they arrested for? Do you even know?

Yes. I do know. And I told you. They were arrested for standing in the street and protesting. You guys really don't know shit do you? You don't know that when people don't have a permit to protest, even if they are not doing anything violent or disruptive, they are arrested? Do you not know that if you are standing on the sidewalk with a sign and the police tell you to move into the street, they will then tell you that you are not allowed in the street either, and then they will take you to jail?

You guys are so fucking clueless about the way that all this stuff works. When people who are just standing on the sidewalk, even as "legal observers" are arrested, they are charged with "disorderly conduct" which means that they were standing in the street, or in the sidewalk without a permit to demonstrate, and they are taken to jail. IN VIOLATION OF THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

I'm clueless? HA! You should do a little more research before you start yapping. I love it when you show your ass. It just emphasizes how little you actually know.

They were charged with:

Assault
Disorderly Conduct
Obstructing Traffic
Weapons Possession
Burglary
Larceny
Sexual Misconduct
Assault on a Police Officer
Loitering in the transit system
Criminal Mischief

You don't know much about the Constitution, apparently. Breaking the law lands you in jail if you're caught. Giving your name as "John Doe" extends your stay. Liberals love defending criminals. They are the clueless ones.

Wapppiiisshhhhhh!

That was not the majority of protestors arrested Geoffrey, get it straight. Clueless again.

Really? How many of them was it, then? Which protestor was standing quietly out of the way, minding his own business, when the jackboots swooped in on him and threw his peace loving ass in the slammer?

You're making up stories to argue your point Maria. I guess I should be used to it by now.

All the people who were peacefully standing on sidewalks when police threw out huge orange nets and pulled hundreds in at a time and took them to jail. If you weren't so clueless, you would know that. There have been hundreds of reports of this occurring and many, many people speaking out about the way that protestors who were doing nothing but standing there with a sign, were arrested. These reports are being made by everyone from those arrested to those observing, to those who weren't even protesting, but were caught in nets as standerbys. Get informed or pipe down.

Ah yes, if you don't agree with Maria, you shouldn't be allowed to speak. That's a liberal for you.

Maria, you blatantly aren't informed at all. The police didn't randomly rope people in. Why were 200 people arrested? Because they moved into the intersection at W. 34th St. and Seventh Ave. and intentionally blocked traffic and refused to move.

Yep, minding their own business. Get informed or pipe down.

We will never agree. But I know this: you don't live in this city. And you are clearly misinformed about what occurred at several locations, many more than this incident that you mentioned. People were arrested -- some for causing a real disturbance or behaving violently, and NOT at all in the fashion advocated by organizing groups -- and many for standing and protesting peacefully. Others for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. There were many cops who did their jobs and did it well. There were also some who abused their power and mistreated protestors. These things are a given. And the fact that you can't acknowledge that is pretty indicative of just how truly ignorant you have chosen to be on the entire subject.

With that said, I am not going to waste another moment of my life debating you about it.

Of course you won't debate me about it. The facts just aren't on your side.