If you haven't already seen President Bush fumbling like the complete imbecile that he so righteously is, then you must not have access to television, internet or newspapers of any kind. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But if you've seen it and you don't think that it's a problem, I can only conclude that you are as hopeless as he. This man is so severely uneducated that it hurts me to hear him speak. The thought of ANY political representative, much less the President of the United States, answering a question -- that he should be fully able to answer articulately and concisely -- like this, is simply astounding.
I have heard many a Bush supporter dismissing their leader's routine massacre of the english language, and brushing off his inability to answer questions in a manner that we can understand, as nothing of great importance. "You don't have to be a great speaker to be president!" Yeah. Well that's apparent. I guess if you live in a country where standards for everything outside of the material are so lost, then you can expect to have a leader of diminutive intelligence. But it is sad that people accept it. That their standards and expectations are so low that they don't even see a problem with the fact that our president does not know the meaning of the word "sovereignty" or the significance of such in the context which he is supposed to be addressing: the continuing plight of the Native American Indians. The funny thing is, if the same people who support Bush had to work in an office with someone as stupid as him, they'd go home every night and tell their families about it. "This idiot doesn't know how to do his job! He screws up everything that he's supposed to do and everyone else has to live with the consequences! And on top of it all, he's fucking illiterate!!!" But for some reason, these people hold lower standards for the President of the United States than they would for the average employee or co-worker.
Now you can sit back and say "well honey, you can't be smart all the time" or "it's not what he says that matters, it's what he means to say." But you know, I don't even think he knows what he means to say. I demand an intelligent president. A thoughtful, intelligent president who can tell his ass from a dry hole in the ground in Texas or at least one who can coherently answer a question. And if our standards have degraded to the point where we accept a president with such a non-existent grasp on the most fundamental issues in this country, then our educational system, both institutionally and privately, has become worse than even I thought.
"Question: What do you think tribal sovereignty means in the 21st century, and how do we resolve conflicts between tribes and the federal and the state governments?President Bush: Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. You're a -- you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And, therefore, the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities."
Thank you for that. It's all so clear to me now.
Bush is a shitty speaker. I wish like hell he had the composure and confidence of Cheney, Bradley, or Lieberman. He doesn't though. He isn't my first choice for President. He isn't my second or third, either.
But he's head and shoulders above Kerry. Kerry is so involved in doing damage control on the lies he's been caught in lately, the waffles he's cooked up, and his lack of any kind of solid plan that the improvement in his speaking ability isn't even news.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 05:27 PMI don't think Kerry lacks a solid plan. I think Bush supporters do everything in their power to make it look that way, but as far as I can see, Kerry has a much firmer plan than all the bloated retards in the media give him credit for.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 05:29 PMHe's got a secret plan
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 05:37 PMIt isn;t thta bush is a shitty speaker that bothers me (although I think the POTUS should be a half way decent speaker), it is his severe lack of education. I am sure there have been plenty of presidents who did not know the meaning of certain things but there are 7th graders with more intelligence than this fool. His lack of intelligence an education alone makes him unfit to be a leader.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 09:33 PMOdd. I always thought undergrad at Yale and Masters at Harvard was a good education.
What's yours, NeoCunt?
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 10:29 PMOh come on geoff - bush didn;t get into that school based on a good sat score - he got in on the legacy policy.
The video speaks for itself.
And my education isn't the one in question for the topic of this post, even if it was, I am not nor ever will run for office.
Geoffrey, you know as well as any of us that Dubya didn't earn that education in any sense, so lets cut the bullshit pal.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 10:35 PMHe didn't? They give away Harvard educations? Who was Bush the Harvard legacy of?
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 10:38 PMand for someone who went to an ivy league school and doesn't knwo what the words "tribal sovereignty" means, than that doesn't speak very well for ivy league schools.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 10:38 PMWho was he the legacy of - his father for one (who was a well educated man).
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 10:39 PMFor someone that yaps about education so much, NeoCunt, you should get one. Bush 41 never went to Harvard. Bush 43 wasn't a legacy.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 10:42 PMand yes, they give away a harvard education to a man who they are grooming to be a politician and shoe father is a very heavy alumni contributer. and getting a "c" average, even if he DID earn that, in an ivy league school is as good as failing.
Be realistic goeff - even the most staunch bush supporters know Bush is an imbicile.
oh gee, my mistake Goeff, he is a Yale legacy.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 10:43 PMand i refuse to get into a pissing contest about this - anyone who sees the video will see the utter stupidity of this man. the fact that he went to yale for his BA and than to harvard for hsi MBA, makes it all that more intriguing. Anyone with half a brain will wonder who paid off the schools to give this guy a degree.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 10:46 PMand what makes it all the more sad is the fact his BA is in History. Surley one who has a BA in history would know what "tribal sovereignty" means or I guess that would be asking too much of Dumbya.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 10:47 PMI can't help but laugh everytime I hear NeoCUNT critique someone else's education.
Does he even read his posts? Grammatical errors run amuck. I mean, no kidding, he writes at the elementary level.
You're comedy Nunya!
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 10:48 PMNeoCunt, you make lots of mistakes. You should really educate yourself about your candidate before spouting off at the mouth.
Kerry was a C student, too.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 10:49 PMSo Gordie? What do you think about George Bush's painfully obvious idiocy?
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 10:49 PMidiocy, no. lack of eloquence, yes.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 10:50 PMEloquence. That word. I don't expect him to be eloquent! I expect him to know what the fuck he's talking about!
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 10:51 PMHe does know what he's talking about.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 10:52 PMWe are clearly talking about two different people.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 10:52 PMYou're talking about Kerry? Oh, I was talking about Bush.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 10:54 PMexplain how he knew what he was talking about when he was asked to describe what "tribal sovereignty" means? Didn't he ever learn in grade school that you do not use the word itself in the meaning?
I will strike the fact that he shouldn't have said "given" which has enraged the American Indian community.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 10:55 PMMaria,
You liberals have spent so much time focusing on "Anyone but Bush" that you failed to direct your energies to what really mattered - a decent candidate. Now, like it or not, you're stuck with a poor candidate and your campaign is going straight down the shitter.
Too bad for you. Considering the climate, you could have swept this one. Not now though. You picked Hanoi John and we all applauded! All the lies and flaws are surfacing. Bush is going to run with this election now and we'll have McCain in 2008 or the next groomed candidate in his place for 2016.
At least you'll have something to bitch about.
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 10:55 PMMaria, give it up - he is "spinning" this away from the original content now. He knows he is beat, as does "gordon" because gordon completely ignores the content.
You know even Geoff cannot think Bush is anything other than a moron. He is just playing now.
Hahaa. I love it when you play stupid Geoff. It's real charming.
You're in denial. It's nothing new. Anyone not in denial can see that Dubya doesn't know what he's talking about. He's the kid who got a complicated chemistry set for Christmas and now he's just blowing shit up while he fumbles around trying to figure out what's what. That's without even mentioning the toy soldiers he got...
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 10:58 PMuuhhh yahh mairai lsisten to us those stupid heads rethuglicans suck uh yah
OK Nunya, we got it.
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 10:59 PMAhhh, I get it, NeoCunt, you didn't even understand the fucking question. HAHAHA. I should have know.
He wasn't asked to "define" tribal sovereignty. He wasn't even asked to define it. He was asked how it relates to the current socio-economic times. I laugh my ass off every time you try to act like you know what's going on.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 10:59 PMGordon, I don't see the Kerry campaign going down the shitter. That's just wishful thinking on your part. Dillusional projections of an irrational mind.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 10:59 PMI'm curious, where'd you two graduate from?
What level of education have you two scholars accomplished?
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:00 PMso what is it "gordon" - did bush know what he was talkimg about in the video? Or didn't you watch it?
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:00 PMthe focus of this post isn;t on mine, maria's or even your education "gordon" it is about bush's lack of knowledge and understanding of a very important and sensitive subject. Now, answer the question - do you think he knows what he is talking about in the video?
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:01 PMReally? You see the campaign as a success so far? I'm curious how you measure success?
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:01 PMMaria, you seriously don't even understand politics, the political climate, or our government in general. The whacko left wing has become the downfall of the Democratic Party. A bunch of wannabe intellectuals regurgitating talking points from moveon.org
Gordon, which one of us is the President of the fucking United States? If you hold the same standards for the POTUS as you hold for random bloggers online, then you have a serious problem my friend.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:02 PMuh yaeah nunya let me sees here yah dumbocarts bug me you fucking alter ego is GOB i know its really noty you
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:03 PMYou both have your heads so far in the sand. It's really useless to try and perform an extraction at this advanced state of retardation, so I'm going to go fix a drink while ya'll work it out.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:04 PMKerry's campaign isn't going down the toilet? He's just coming off the Democratic Convention and Bush has a 3 point lead in the polls and a 51% approval rating. We haven't even had the RNC yet!
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:04 PMmaria, notice how the avoid the questions and try to take the conversatrion away from the REAL point being made. The man was asked point blank what tribal sovereignty means in the 2qst century and he completely and utterly blew it. Even a retard can see what a bumbling idiot he looked and sounded like. Forget eloquence, it was shear stupidity.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:04 PM"did bush know what he was talkimg about in the video?"
What's talkimg mean Nunya?
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:05 PMAhhh, never mind. I didn't know she was on the sauce again. That explains a lot.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:05 PMI'm very impressed. You all are working very hard tonight.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:06 PMWhat's a "conversatrion"?
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:06 PMWait, NeoCunt, I thought you said he was asked what tribal sovereignty means?
Oh yeah, I schooled you again.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:06 PMMaria's drunk again. Oh boy, this is gonna get ugly.
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:06 PMthats it "gordon" lets pull it away from the issue at hand. Fact is, you are too much of a fucking pussy to put the video up on your own blog for people to make their own minds up about it.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:07 PMYou couldn't school a camel to water. You couldn't school an old dog to perform an old trick...I could go on but I'll spare you.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:08 PMgoeff, he was asked what it means in the 21st century. Yet he answered it like he was asked the definition of it and still didn't get it right.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:09 PMAnd Gordon, I said I'm GOING to fix a drink, meaning, haven't had one yet jackass. Maybe you should have one, let up on your anal retention a little.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:09 PMWhat needs to be made up? That Bush is a shitty speaker? Everyone knows that. He hasn't been caught lying about being in Cambodia, though. He hasn't been caught making up stories about a woman in danger of losing health insurance. He didn't skip every single intelligence committee meeting in the year following 9/11 then vote to slash the intelligence budget.
I think it's funny as hell the worst you have on Bush is that he flubbed explaining a pop question about tribal sovereignty.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:10 PMI am having drink, why do you think I'm having a blast watching you and Nunya hurl feces like monkeys at a zoo?
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:11 PM"I think it's funny as hell the worst you have on Bush is that he flubbed explaining a pop question about tribal sovereignty."
Geoffrey. Earth to Geoffrey. If you think that's the only thing we have on Bush, you haven't really been paying attention the past four years.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:12 PMthat may be so geoff, but at least it doesn't best the GOP for searching for 8 years and all they could come up with was a blow job in the oval office.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:12 PMGreat. Gordon's drunk again. Perfect. I was just thinking today, all this blog needs is an angry drunk and my life will be complete.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:13 PMHere's to four more glorious years! (tipping my drink)
I can't wait 'til election day so I can rub it in your face for a few months!
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:13 PMOh, you mean that little thing that got him disbarred and earned him the honor of being the only US President to be impeached? Yeah, that's it.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:14 PMI'm listening to Weezer. They suck.
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:14 PMJaRule
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:14 PMHaahaa!!!
"I can't wait 'til election day so I can rub it in your face for a few months!"
Me TOO!!!
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:14 PMJaRule sucks. So does Weezer.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:15 PMuh yah clitnon and b-job uh yeaj fuk you rethuglicans
Good one Nunya.
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:15 PMBetter hope he gains some points between now and then.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:15 PMWeezers out, Van Halen's in.
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:16 PMJohnny Cash!
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:17 PMgeoff - where did you get YOUR education? Apparently you did not make it to high school if you think Clinton was the only US President to be impeached.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:17 PMWe will prevail. I have faith that all of America is not as badly misguided as you guys.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:17 PMI forgot about Johnson. All those Democrats seem alike.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:18 PMgoogle does wonders, doesn;t it geoff. You didn't "forget" about Johnson. You didn't know. Admit it. Oh wait, you can't admit to being wrong, can you. All those repugs seem alike.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:20 PMVP choice - a flatline despite historical trends of gains up to five points.
DNC convention - another flatline. Subtle gain despite the historical rally of another 5 plus points.
Hmmmmm. Now the scandals and the best-selling book? Now all the waffling exposed in regard to defense and intelligence?
The RNC is around the bend and Bush has hardly started campaigning. I wonder what cats he'll let out of the bag in October?
Oh yeah, it looks real good for Kerry!
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:20 PMThe Man in Black rocks!
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:21 PMYou should use Google more often. You might get some facts straight once in awhile.
I just admitted I was wrong. I had forgotten about Johnson. Another Democrat. Impeached.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:21 PMI cannot wait for the debates between Kerry and Bush - then people can see the glaring differences in what an educated man and a monkey, looks like.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:21 PMuh eyah johnson and fuck them all rethugs and dumbya too
uh yeah i coach siftball
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:22 PMNo kidding. I feel bad for Kerry. It almost isn't fair. What's he going to do when he has to talk about his record?
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:22 PM"I cannot wait for the debates between Kerry and Bush - then people can see the glaring differences in what an educated man and a monkey, looks like."
Nunya's trainable.
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:23 PMi own for buiznesses and tech nots in cub scuts
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:23 PMyes, he was a democrat when the dems were the conservatives and the repugs were the liberals.
he was impeached, but not thrown out of office nor did he resign. Senate did not prosecute him. And impeachment by the house but not a pursuit from the senate is like a really big censure.
Now, Nixon on the other hand....
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:25 PMyou see maria - 40 something year old men with the frat boy mentality. and when someone beats the fuck out of them, they will whine and cry about wanting to sue someone.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:27 PM"yes, he was a democrat when the dems were the conservatives and the repugs were the liberals."
ROFLMAO!!!
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:27 PM"and when someone beats the fuck out of them, they will whine and cry about wanting to sue someone"
Care to elaborate NeoCUNT?
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:29 PMWorkin hard.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:29 PMROTFFGWUTA!!!!!
i bet you wished you knew what that stands for "gordon"
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:29 PMWho's suing? You threatening to beat me up again? ***YAWN*** Go back to your theory that my brother doesn't exist. It's more believable.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:29 PMROTFFGWUTA!!!!!
Yeah. I lay awake at night wishing I knew what that meant. And you call Bush dumb.....
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:30 PMyes "gordon" i care to elaborate. when you are a flaming asshole, and piss someone off in public because people who are obliviots (oblivious idiots) like you and geoff, and someone rears back and wails on you, then you will go crying to a lawyer wanting to sue.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:31 PMno geoff, I got one for you
ROTFFJITM!!!
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:32 PMYeah. Because it's a sign of intelligence to go beating on people with a different opinion. Democracy, the party of tolerance.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:33 PMROTFFJITM!!!
You're too smart for me, NeoCunt. I guess I should spend more time in elementary school playgrounds, too. I'd pick up all the "cool words".
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:34 PMand where have i threatened anyone, geoff, care to elaborate?
i am done with this bullshit maria - it was clearly obvious that they had no leg to stand on with this post so they created a diversion. juvinile tactics.
Posted by: nunya at August 16, 2004 11:34 PMheh. You're "done with this shit" at least 3 times a week.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:35 PMSo ridiculous. OMG HAHAHAAA.(Ya'll do know what that stands for right?) Falling out of my chair laughing. Okay, well that might be the rum.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:36 PMOh Christ, Nunya's going to start using pig latin next.
Yeah, I'll be losing sleep over your acronyms Nunya. Yawn.
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:37 PMGod, I hate how everytime I post, I'm already so five minutes ago...slow down little monkeys! You be typin too fast!
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:37 PMthat was a lot of posts.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 16, 2004 11:38 PMBarely missed a minute since 10:46
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:40 PMChrist I'm in tears, does anyone remember Toll Booth Willie by Adam Sandler?
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 16, 2004 11:42 PMNo but LOVE him.
Posted by: Maria at August 16, 2004 11:44 PMWhat needs to be made up? That Bush is a shitty speaker?
That Bush comprehends issues like sovereignty. Given that nuanaced language is eveything, especially in international politics its patently obvious by that clip that Bush is not qualified to be president and to assume otherwise is complete pretense.
Posted by: cul at August 17, 2004 04:46 AMCul,
Why do I get the vision of you explaining this to Geoff/Gordon with thems tanding there with their head cocked like a dogs when he doesn't understand what the hell you are saying?
NeoLiar, I thought you were "done with this". Oops. Garbage in, garbage out.
cul,
That's a crazy assumption. He was asked an off the wall question on the spot and flubbed it. If that's all the libs have on him to win this campaign, you're doomed.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 17, 2004 08:15 AMi was done last night, i.e., I went to bed.
and trust us, there is PLENTY more of these "flubbs" over his 4 year failure as president.
Posted by: nunya at August 17, 2004 09:27 AMNunya Translation:
"uh yeeh uh waz dun last night so FUK uyou reTHuglican yeah and you can bakn on some for of those fibls from dumba"
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at August 17, 2004 09:47 AMROTFFGWUTA!!!!
Posted by: nunya at August 17, 2004 11:07 AMI figured out what it means. Hehee.
Posted by: Maria at August 17, 2004 04:56 PMI knew NeoCunt was a homo.
Posted by: Geoffrey at August 17, 2004 07:42 PMGood God Maria.
I just read through this entire thread post history.
This repetitive behaviour is so predictable you must dread posting each new topic. Every time....without exception....freaking every time. It's 'neocunt' this.. or 'homo' that. God how tiresome. Is this all 'they' have to do??
What the Dogsnot Conjoined Twins do (I'd call them triplets but "Jonathan" the other persona seems to be on hiatus these days..) to your site is a freaking pity. Your writing is wonderful and it often borders on the inspired. You dedicate time and engery to your topic and succeed in making it interesting. Yet nearly without exception 'they' make it degenerate into a playground scrap. All you need do is scroll back over 'their' posts in no time flat 'they' have reduced it to a baiting technique in order to enlist an angry response. Even if 'they' make a point, when refuted 'they' debase 'their' argument to name-calling. There's no dignity to 'them'. None. Simply the actions of the disenfranchized. In a word "G-R-O-S-S".
Are 'they' so proficient at this foolish machine that it's impossible to ban 'their' server numbers? Time for 'them' to get up out of the chair and do some community service. Ugh.
I am amazed at your ability to persevere. Amazed. Well, my hat's off to you darling. I swear.
And again... without exception. The last word must be 'theirs' or somehow they "lose". HUH?? That upbringing must have been one trauma after the next. Time to get over it and do the work 'boys'. Freaking pitiful.
Posted by: Richard at August 18, 2004 08:26 PM