Yesterday I was riding along in the passenger's seat of my boyfriend's car, listening to the radio, when that new song "Why?" by Jadakiss came on. I've never been a very big Jadakiss fan so I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention until Rob said "have you seen this video? It's really great." I said I hadn't but I started listening to the song just in time to take note of the controversial lyric about Bush. First of all, I'm sure I don't need to go into the First Amendment implications and all that shit. I am disgusted at the direction this country is going in terms of censorship, surveillance and incarceration. Censorship is where it all begins and the fact that this line would be edited out despite the lack of any basis other than that people are ignorant, really irritates me.
When I heard it, I said "good for him." I happen to agree with Jadakiss that Bush not only knew that the twin towers were going to be hit, but that our government had more than a little something to do with it. Oh yes. I know even my most liberal readers are already shaking their heads, thinking "Oh Maria. Come on. They couldn't have... It was the 19 hijackers!" Well that is exactly what I said the first time that I was confronted with a conspiracy theory regarding government involvement in the 9/11 attacks. I laughed. Then I shook my head. Then I almost got angry. And then I stopped. And opened my mind. And was amazed to realize what I now believe is the most logical explanation for what occurred on 9/11, despite the initial appearance of it being the most far-fetched.
See, something I've realized during the past four years is how far some people are willing to go to assert their power, attain their desired wealth and generally achieve whatever nefarious goals they might cultivate. I am like most people. I want to believe that everyone is inherently good. A common misconception in this country is that if you wear a suit and tie and you have pale skin, you can't be all that bad. Yeah, you might embezzle a little money every now and then, cheat on your wife, snort a little coke... But It's those street crawlers and dark skins you really have to watch out for. I think common criminals and innocent minorities who are treated like common criminals are far less of a threat to mankind than white men in suits and ties who play it off legit while they slither their way to the top.
(I always loved it when Chris Rock said: "there's not a white man in this room who would trade places with me. And I'm rich! But they'd say 'nah, I'm gonna ride this white thing out for awhile. See where it takes me...'")
And no one can lie and get away with it like a white guy in a suit and tie. White men have a long history in this country of committing crimes and atrocities and then pointing the finger at the nearest brown guy. Why should 9/11 be any different? It's not.
I was pleased to find that my mother and I are not the only people on the internet who hold this view. Thank god there are people like John Kaminski to point out the lies and inconsistencies that have surfaced in the wake of 9/11.
Why hasn't either the Bush administration or some element of law enforcement in the United States issued a single solid piece of evidence connecting the hijackers to the hijacked airplanes?Why don't the alleged hijackers appear on the airport security videos?
Why aren't there credit card records of their ticket purchases?
Why did FBI director Robert Mueller say very publicly to the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco that nothing on paper connected Arab terrorists to 9/11?
I mean, two and half years have passed. And the feds produced 19 names within 72 hours of the disaster.
Notice a mathematical inconsistency here? All that has happened since is mere vigilante hysteria, hypothetical scenarios trumpeted ad nauseum by America's notoriously brainwashed Zionist press.
Seven or eight of the names on that original list have been found living comfortably in other countries.
And my own (albeit simpleminded) burning question: How did the passengers who supposedly contacted their loved ones from cell phones USE their cell phones from the airplanes?
These are definitely some things to ponder. I was quick, like everyone else, to believe the administration's story about the 9/11 hijackers. Despite my better judgment and my feeling of unease at the time about the swiftness with which the names and photos of the hijackers were produced, and the subsequent sluggishness of the investigation and lackadasical pursuit of Osama, I embraced the notion of hijackers. But a lightbulb is going off. (Thanks mom and sorry for not listening to you when you told me all this a long time ago). I no longer believe the story that has been fed to the public by the government and the media. Why should I? The government has always been the least trustworthy source for real information! It has always been those who question the government who unearth the truth. I feel as if I've had my head under a blanket since September 2001.
Of course, the biggest question -- and that which Jadakiss boldly asks in his song -- is: "why?" Why would our government do this? Once again, I commend John Kaminski for articulating:
And why, after much hullabaloo about Colin Powell using phony information in his remarks to the United Nations about the reasons for war, hasn't the U.S. government produced a single conclusive piece of evidence to back up its claim that 9/11 was the work Osama bin Laden and other Islamic terrorists? Not a single piece!Posted by Maria at July 14, 2004 12:34 PM | TrackBackIf you disagree, tell me what it is!
There's a simple answer to this, you know. It's because there isn't any evidence. And why is that? Because those pseudo-Muslims revealed to be so publicly incompetent at piloting jerkwater training planes had absolutely zero chance of flying sophisticated jetliners into anything narrower than the Grand Canyon, never mind executing tricky maneuvers with extraordinarily complicated machinery.
The unknown men who played the roles of the so-called Arab terrorist hijackers were really recruited by either American and/or Israeli intelligence services in a scheme set up as a diversion to inflame dumb Westerners against the Islamic world.
The purpose was to divert the world's attention from the Israeli genocide and dispossession of the Palestinians by blaming the attacks on Muslims.
But that was only half the objective. The other half was to enable our despicable cabal of neocon gangbangers to fleece the American public with an endless array of no-bid contracts to enrich the conscienceless billionaires who are really driving the war machine.
You know how the Bushista American government uses anything for PR to supposedly authenticate its own evil agenda. If they had any concrete evidence against the hijackers - if they even possessed all their correct names - we would have heard about it by now. There would be an avalanche of TV shows about them, unlike that Jewish claptrap hate crime against Muslims that appeared on NBC the other night.
After two and half years, with the whole world knowing that eight of the 19 names on the hijacker list are fraudulent, the FBI has made no attempt to substitute new names. And why is that? Because the identities of the hijackers were constructed with mostly stolen papers, for some of the patsies designed to take the heat. In any case, and whoever they were, there is no evidence they ever got on the planes.
But nothing. Instead we have one minor player convicted in Germany, then the conviction was overturned, partly because Americans refused to help with the prosecution.
We have the so-called 20th hijacker and assorted other preposterous character actors languishing in jails on trumped up charges. We have security camera film at the Pentagon, which surely reveal that no jetliner hit that building, locked away in Ashcroft's vault under the phony aegis of national security. We have all the rubble of the World Trade Center, which surely would have revealed the use of nuclear explosives creating shattered beams in odd places, instantly carted away with no forensic investigation. We have transcripts - but no recordings - of these phony cellphone calls, some from people who may not have even existed.
And we have the famous standdown, in which America's air defenses suddenly evaporated - the only time in our history this has happened.
We have Marvin Bush sitting suspiciously on the board of directors of the security company that had the contract for the Twin Towers.
We have Larry Silverstein, who conveniently leased and insured the towers shortly before the big hits, telling officials to "pull" a relatively intact tower, which then fell identically to the two structures that were struck by airplanes, creating the impression that that's the way all three came down.
We have billions of dollars of windfall profits made by savvy investors in the days before 9/11, and an FBI investigation that insists nothing was amiss with these spectacular deals. Of course, we don't get the details. Only "assurances" that the trades were not suspicious, despite patterns and results that were unprecedented in the entire history of financial trading.
We have reports from firemen of explosions at the base of the Twin Towers BEFORE they fell, and the seismographic evidence to back up these assertions.
We have leader after leader saying they didn't know such a thing could happen when the government had been studying the problem for ten years. It had held at least two major drills simulating such a possibility.
And we have a president sitting in a ghetto classroom in Florida, at possibily the most pivotal moment in American history, pretending to read a book that he was holding upside down.
Perhaps most tellingly of all, we have the tragic tale of John O'Neill, rabidly honest FBI investigator, prevented from following his leads about Osama bin Laden because of the danger he would have discovered the links from Afghanistan back to CIA headquarters. Just review the way he was prevented from conducting his probe of the Cole bombing, and prevented by digging into other leads by the same guys - namely insiders Louis Freeh and Thomas Picard - who prevented significant reports from other FBI agents from seeing the light of day.
So, how does all that make you regard the supposedly impartial government panel investigating these matters? When they talk about Presidential Daily Briefings months before the event, or chitchat with presidential flunkies who leak out these pseudorevelations about this and that tidbit of essentially trivial information. And especially when they talk about the dastardly hijackers (without being able to name them) as if there is no question of their guilt. Talk about your misleading urban legends! This one is the champ.
Well, no sense feigning surprise. We knew this commission was a set-up from the get-go. Recycled Watergate investigators, even. Part of the same bunch that has run the country and covered up everything for the past 30 years or more.
Surely you didn't expect a real investigation. Thomas Kean declared at the outset of his hearings that Osama bin Laden was guilty. End of discussion. As soon as he made that statement, there was no way the hearings could be legitimate.
Asserting that genuine Arab hijackers did not carry out the attacks of 9/11 requires analysis of two concomitant categories: the history of American (and Israeli) involvement (and subterfuge) with Arab terrorists, and methods of remote control of aircraft, or other means of piloting the aircraft.
The remote control aspect continues to be a bone of contention among legitimate pilots, with some asserting only real pilots could have made such extemporaneous maneuvers and others insisting only remote control could have accomplished such a feat. An interesting new perspective on this debate can be found here: http://joevialls.altermedia.info/wtc/radiocontrol.html
A third natural area of study in this regard would be the intimate histories of those whom officials claim to be the hijackers, including putting the microscope on their behavior in the days and weeks before the tragedy.
Many researchers claim the name al-Qaeda was made up in middle '90s by a variety of American functionaries (one of them being none other than Richard Clarke) as an all-purpose villain the U.S. could blame as a convenient reason for its military adventurism.
And a group of Israeli provocateurs was recently discovered trying to create their own faux version of al-Qaeda.
How many more hints do you need? The absence of any relevant arrests or discovery of any clues to the hierarchy of this supposedly worldwide terror group should tell you a lot.
Al-Qaeda doesn't exist except for when they want it to, to blame for any sort of strategic terror they have created themselves for some political reason, like influencing the elections in Spain. Hah, that one really backfired.
Why haven't American intelligence operatives gone to these foreign countries to interview these named hijackers who turned out to be alive? Simple. Because they knew the list was fiction in the first place, and the Arab-types who have been named as terror gurus are mostly their own employees, or people who have been set up by them.
It is a celebrated fact that Mohammed Atta and some of his friends were seen in nightclubs in the hours before 9/11, certainly a fact that argues against them being able to carry out their supposed missions because they were motivated by Islamic religious zeal. So their appearance in strip clubs blows the whole story that they were devout Muslims giving their lives to Allah. Devout Muslims don't drink, never mind cavort with strippers.
If we knew who the hijackers were, we'd know their names, wouldn't we? Or is it now worth bombing other nations and murdering thousands of innocent people because we say we know who the hijackers were, even though we don't know their names? It is the great shame of the American people that they have approved of the murders of thousands of people because of that blatant lie.
Many of the men who were fingered as 9/11 hijackers received preferential treatment from American immigration officials when it came to entering and leaving the U.S. on numerous occasions. Many of these same names reportedly trained at various U.S. military installations.
What has resulted after two and a half years of work by America's crack intelligence agencies, besides the persecution of Muslims throughout the world?
Well, hundreds of innocent people have been unjustly imprisoned and tortured at Guantanamo. All of them innocent, hapless dupes rounded up in a Rumsfeld-ordered dragnet in Pakistan after U.S. planes had (inadvertently or otherwise) allowed the Taliban fighters to escape with the Pakistani army from Afghanistan.
Two pathetic flunkies have been arrested and held without due process. One of them, the notoriously pathetic shoe bomber who was obviously a deranged personality and not a member of any terror network, was ceremoniously sentenced to life in prison.
Other than that, no al-Qaeda kingpins have been even named, never mind apprehended. No clue about how the 9/11 attacks were engineered has ever emerged. This is simply not consistent with being able to name all 19 hijackers the day after the attacks. It is a case of pretending you have all of the information instantly, and then pretending you no information for the next two years. What a smell!
This means two things: that the list of 19 names was a total fabrication, and that the worldwide terror network called al-Qaeda is also a total fabrication, the wet dream brainchild of the CIA and the Mossad to be trotted out as an excuse for a whole string of terror attacks - Madrid, Bali, Riyadh, Istanbul, etc. - that were really carried out by the CIA and the Mossad themselves, cleverly involving designated patsies to give the operations a suitably foreign flavor.
Al-Qaeda does not exist except as a bogeyman invented by Western powers to justify their evil agenda. There were no hijackers flying those planes on 9/11. And honest FBI agents have been prevented from publicizing that fact.
If you disagree, prove it! The world knows you can't, though the high-tech mass murder by the United States and Israel spreads around the world because of this falsified version of events.
History will show - and the public will soon realize - that those who are telling these lies not only allowed 9/11 to happen, but planned it for their own personal advantage.
The only question that remains is will the American public awaken to this murderous, treasonous scam before the perpetrators achieve their objective and bury the whole planet in the flames of their insane perfidy.
Just remember. If they're talking about the hijackers, they're part of the coverup, whether they know it or not.
Much more productive would be analyzing the tiny hole in the Pentagon, how the ejected material in the WTC photos prove there were unexplained explosions, or how those emotional cellphone calls could not possibly have been made as government flunkies have presented them.
But you won't hear the official 9/11 commissioners talking about any of that, because they are definitely part of the coverup. You can obviously tell, because they keep talking about the hijackers.
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Other than a general alert to citizens of the world about the basic lies that continue to underlie all political debate in the United States at this time, there is another, more pressing reason to discuss and contemplate all these matters at this time.
On Tuesday, April 20, and Wednesday, April 28, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments on the power claimed by the President to designate people as "enemy combatants" and have them incarcerated by the military - indefinitely, without charges, and without access to the court system--solely on his say-so.
As my friend Alvin notes, "This is a critical moment in United States history."
"How the court rules on these cases will determine the type of country we will be living in. We urge those of you who can to be present outside the Supreme Court on these dates," said Alvin. For more information please see http://www.nlg.org/eccases/
It is one thing to realize all law enforcement and defense strategies in America in 2004 have become lies.
It is quite another to incorporate those lies into the law itself...
There was a line in the movie "Awakenings" when Dr. Sayer went to see the doctor who orignally diagnosed and researched the illness outbreak that caused patients to slip into coma's and ultimately awakended comatose states - Dr. Sayer asked "I wonder what they are feeling and thinking?" the older doctor said "nothing" Dr. sayer said "How do you know that?" the older doctor said "Because, the alternativ is unimaginable."
It turns out those people did feel and think. However, the older doctor probably did not want to acknowldge it because to him and the rest of us, to be trapped in our own bodies, unable to speak, move, but able to take in everything around us would just be a living hell.
I euqate the conspiracy theories to that. We so easily write them off for the same reasons. We don't want to beleive our government is capable of doing something like that. We don't want to beleive that there are some very evil people at the top of corporate america willing to do anything at any cost to progress their power and wealth.
There are telling signs of the atrocities commited in the early industrial revolution in the book, The Jungle, by Upton Sinclair. One particular incident was a security gaurd falling into a huge vat of lard, and not only did they keep the vat going, but they packaged the lard and shipped and sold it. This was only a little more than a 100 years ago - some might say "our ceo's have evolved past that, they are better." Partly correct, they have evolved, but into something worse. And we can thank Harvard business school for that. A reported who took busuiness classes sat in a freshman business ethics class where the professor posed a scenario "You are the ceo of a company and you learn that the product you are producing is killing people, do you stop production and risk losing profits?" A student replied, No, you keep producing and keep selling. As ceo of a company it is not your job to worry about what the product is or isn't doing - your job is to maintain and increase shareholder value. The answer was correct. The student was a well known younger indicted eron ceo.
With these types of things in mind, I claim that it is not unthinkable or unfathmable to ponder the possibility of our government having a role in 9-11. What role and how much involvement that may be, I do not know. I tend to lean toward it being a much larger role than any of us are willing to think about. Why? Because during the Kennedy Administration, the pentagon came up with a plan to have a terrorist event in south florida and blame it on cuba. That way, they could invade cuba, overthrow Castro and keep the russians out of the country. This was recently declassified and of course downplayed. Thank God we had a sensible democratic adminstartion in at the time. I was skeptical about any conspiracy on 9-11 until I heard that story.
With all of the little bits and pieces, the premeptiveness, the fact that bush had wanted to invade all along but needed a way in that they could sell as "the right thing to do", the lack of initial military response on 9-11 (which, there has always been in place, a military response to any airliner going off course - it has been protocol for so long that even before there was an air force - the army air corp had standby fighters for that purpose), etc. But, for what? For revenge? I don't buy that Bush would have sacarifced any of that for revenge. Something this big would have to have a whole slew of other interested rich parties involved.
Do I think him and his biddies are craxy enough to do it - it happened, didn't it?
and go fuck yourself, geoff/gordon, before you even beign to type one word in rebuttle, because you won't have anything constructive to say anyway.
Posted by: Nunya at July 14, 2004 05:03 PMHere is the link to the article about the "plan" the cia had for terrosit action in the early 60's.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2839operation_northwds.html
One of the things that bugs me was the fact that the sec. of defense at that time was Robert Mcnamara - a person Donald Rumsfeld worked for and personally feels he is most like.
Posted by: nunya at July 14, 2004 05:18 PMI happen to agree with Jadakiss that Bush not only knew that the twin towers were going to be hit, but that our government had more than a little something to do with it.
It amazes me how whacked you are in some regards.
Why hasn't either the Bush administration or some element of law enforcement in the United States issued a single solid piece of evidence connecting the hijackers to the hijacked airplanes?
They do. Their voices are plainly heard on the flight recordings. Additionally, Osama claimed responsibility for the attacks.
Why don't the alleged hijackers appear on the airport security videos?
They do. Mohammad Atta was caught on tape in Portland boarding the flight before it went to Boston.
Why aren't there credit card records of their ticket purchases?
There are. LA Times
How did the passengers who supposedly contacted their loved ones from cell phones USE their cell phones from the airplanes?
Read the transcripts. It's pretty clear.
You obviously haven't done ANY research on your own. You're just parroting someone else's opinion. Most of your questions are easily answered by anyone following the event with out even having to look up the facts.
Jadakiss is an ignorant punk. He should provide the facts to back up his claims or be sued. Wasn't he the one that said "Halle Berry had to pop a white guy to win an Oscar"?
Idiot
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 14, 2004 05:25 PMI want to know why every rapper is an ignorant punk in Geoffrey's eyes.
Posted by: Maria at July 14, 2004 05:35 PMIt's been pretty obvious to most intelligent people Maria that the Bush administration not only knew about the attacks but was party to them.
You're not alone in your suspicion.
That, coupled with the attempt to 'delay' the November elections, can leave no doubt that this administration has delusions way beyond the ordinary delegation of power and control outlined by the Constitution. As the saying goes "be afraid.. be VERY afraid".
It's enough to turn the stomach of any decent American. However, I see the tide changing rather rapidly. Much as was the case during Nixon's Watergate debacle.. these 'types' have a way of taking themselves down.
BTW? Great thread darlin' ;-)
Posted by: Richard at July 14, 2004 05:48 PMI want to know why every rapper is an ignorant punk in Geoffrey's eyes.
Hmmm. That's an honest question. I'll answer it to the best of my ability.
First, I dislike most rap. That obviously makes my opinion biased. Beyond that, I hate most lyrics that have to do with drugs, violence, etc. Since I dislike most rap, the only songs I hear are the ones that make the news because of their horrible lyrics.
So basically I'm admitting my previous statement really doesn't have much weight behind it since I don't have much to back it up with.
I enjoy some 2 live crew, but that's because I think they are funny.
It's been pretty obvious to most intelligent people Maria that the Bush administration not only knew about the attacks but was party to them.
Care to cite some proof? Oh, that's your opinion. A pretty factless ignorant one, but you're welcome to it.
hat, coupled with the attempt to 'delay' the November elections,
Ooops, there hasn't been an attempt to delay the November elections. Look at that, you're wrong again.
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 14, 2004 06:35 PMI think the video of Osama claiming responsibility pretty much clinches it.
Maria, have you ever considered the possibility that George W Bush is just a guy trying to do a difficult job the best he can?
Do you think that Bush had a bunch of cronies that would go hijack planes and crash them into public monuments for him, losing their lives in the process?
Why do so many people have this bizarre need to see W as some kind of homicidal madman?
You write well but you believe some truly ridiculous things.
Posted by: Graham Lester at July 14, 2004 10:25 PMGraham
It's quite apparent you didn't read the article I posted or you would have known that your comments have already been addressed.
Posted by: at July 14, 2004 10:27 PMAs for W, I don't see him as a homicidal madman. Richard Ramirez was a homicidal madman. George W. Bush and his cohorts are extremely greedy, calculated, powerful, megalomaniacs with an exact purpose in mind. It's just a coincidence that Bush is intellectually retarded and it doesn't much matter either because he has a good support group. There is a huge picture here and it is not exclusive to a "Bush Agenda." It is much bigger than that. Sorry if you don't see it that way. I find the fact that you have accepted all of the government's lies so unquestioningly as pretty goddamn ridiculous too. So we're even.
Posted by: Maria at July 14, 2004 10:32 PMYou said, "I happen to agree with Jadakiss that Bush not only knew that the twin towers were going to be hit, but that our government had more than a little something to do with it"
If this were indeed the case, then Bush would be a homicidal maniac and ought to be tried, convicted and punished. Or are you implying that someone in the US government other than Bush was responsible?
As for my "accepting all the government's lies," I never was a great believer in US intelligence to begin with so I'm not that surprised that they didn't know what was going on inside Iraq.
I think Bush simply thought that Hussein had WMD, based on poor intelligence, and felt that he had to intervene to prevent another catastrophe.
So do you think George W. Bush was behind 911 or not?
Posted by: Graham Lester at July 14, 2004 11:49 PMBTW, you said in a previous post, "Bush is still a megalomaniacal psychopath" and that was why I asked you why you thought he was a "homicidal madman."
Graham
Posted by: at July 14, 2004 11:58 PMPNAC pretty much spelled it out~ in order to facilitate changes in the ME, a New Pearl Harbor must occur to garner public approval of pre-emption.
I think in the minds of the christian fundamentalist cultists in power, who want to see biblical prophecy become reality, would sacrifice a few thousand for what they consider saving millions. I also think the fact that the terrorists in question were armed and trained, partly, by the US, is indesputable. I did occur. These were the soldiers trained to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.
This much I feel sure of: The Bush Administration may or may not have known about the attacks ahead of time, but it was certainly beneficial to their cause. The New Pearl Harbor they intimated about occurred all to conveniently.
What I don't get is how some people think this is above and beyond what one human would do to another.
We are talking about politicians, the scum that rides the underbellies of rodents. The latter being multinational corporations, who indeed profit from perpetual war.
I don't believe Bush knew so much as a few in his administration did. I think Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Rove had a pretty good idea, maybe even Rumsfeld.
And I would bet money they were pleased.
I just have to ask, What Would McCain have done?
Probably not sit in a chair in a classroom in FLorida for 1/2 hour, for starters. He's a real leader; why the repubs chose a clueless partyclown over this man is beyond me.
Here's another problem I have, closed minds. Those who won't even CONSIDER the possiblity that they have been lied to and manipulated. I am open to the possiblity that BushCo is completely innocent, but looking at their track record over the past four years, it's increasingly doubtful that they are as innocent as they would have us believe.
Anyone who laughs off "conspiracy theories" without looking at them with an unbiased, open mind, is intellectually lazy. Some of the points of contention are easy to dismiss, others not so much.
These theories are not borne out of mere hatred for the Bush Administration, after all. Some are, sure, but some aren't. Some are ligitimate questions to anomalous evidence.
Posted by: bsti at July 15, 2004 01:10 AMBy the way, here are a few fun questions for the naysayers to answer.
Why did FEMA lie about their presence in New York on 9/11?
Where are the flight recorders?
Why were the Black Boxes never recovered ?
Why did Bush stop inquiries into terrorist connections of the Bin Laden family in early 2001?
Why did none of the 19 hijackers appear on the passenger lists?
Who decided to give $43 million in aid to the Taliban regime in May 2001?
Why did Bush continue to sit in that classroom reading to children when he should have been conferring with his advisors?
Why did Bush & Cheney urge the Senate to limit inquiries into 9-11?
how did the passports of Mohammed Atta and Satam al-Sugam, both on Flight 11, survive the inferno to be found on the street near the World Trade Center?
Was NORAD aware of the four hijacked planes veering off course even before
being reported by the FAA? If not, please explain why NORAD which monitors
7000 flights a day, was unable to track the four aberrant flights.
Why was the Florida National Guard called up in the state of Florida on September 7th, 2001 in order to help handle “civil disturbance” and “acts of terrorism"?
Why were the steel beams form the WTC sold and shipped overseas and not retained as evidence? Was the material examined before it was sent overseas? If not, why not?
What connections did our government have with the terrorists prior to 9/11?
· State department negotiations with Taliban re: pipeline through Afghanistan
· interaction with the Taliban and/or Bin Laden
· CIA training and arming of terrorists
Why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list of countries sponsoring terrorism?
Why did the FBI and CIA seek to exclude evidence about Saudi involvement with terrorists?
Posted by: bsti at July 15, 2004 01:42 AMHoly Fuck are you stupid bsti. Seriously. Every time you open your mouth I am in awe that people so absolutely clueless are allowed to roam the earth without supervision.
Did you research ANY of the crap you posted? Obviously not. Do you even own a tv? Get the newspaper? A radio maybe? As with Maria's list that I showed was innaccurate, so is yours.
You should write a book. Fiction is a hot topic these days.
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 15, 2004 07:57 AMHow is bsti wrong - bsti just asked questions - so show is where the inaccuracies are, oh great one.
you dickhead.
Posted by: nunya at July 15, 2004 08:18 AMand here is yet another instance of how much influence BushCo has over corporate america:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20040715/en_nm/people_goldberg_dc
"Comedian Whoopi Goldberg will no longer appear in ads for diet aid maker Slim-Fast following her lewd riff on President Bush's name at a fund-raiser last week, the company said on Wednesday."
How is bsti wrong - bsti just asked questions - so show is where the inaccuracies are, oh great one.
I did in the first list of lies Maria posted. You can do your own homework in the second. Once I've shown your argument is full of shit I don't find the desire to continue digging up links to prove you wrong. I've already done it.
Same with anything NeoCunt writes. I've proven him to be a blatant factless liar so many times I reserve the right to just laugh, now.
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 15, 2004 08:36 AMand here is yet another instance of how much influence BushCo has over corporate america:
You obviously don't understand capitalism.
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 15, 2004 08:37 AMGeoffrey, it's pretty obvious that you can't answer any of the questions that bsti asked so cool your jets. And to call him stupid only makes you look stupid, since it is clear that he is not stupid.
Graham, I do believe that W knew about 9/11 and took a huge role in the entire fiasco and everything to follow, but I honestly don't think he's smart enough to have come up with the idea. This is shit that has been in the planning long before he was president. Have you forgotten that his father was the director of the CIA and is the only president in history who has exercised his right to receive CIA briefings long after his presidency ended? I never said this conspiracy was the work of one person. It's obvious that's not possible, but the Bush family definitely wields a powerful position in the master plan.
Posted by: Maria at July 15, 2004 10:02 AMNunya you dolt. Whoopie Goldberg was fired because she's a fat sow. Does it make any sense/cents to have a fat sow sponsoring a diet product? Christ that's one thing about conspiracy theorists I can't stand. EVERYTHING is a damn conspiracy. Open your eyes Maria and Nunya.
Posted by: Chumley at July 15, 2004 10:10 AMread the article chumley - it clearly states she was fired because of a stab she took at bush. you dickless wonder.
and goeff
you're a dickhead!
Posted by: nunya at July 15, 2004 10:23 AMBy the way, here are a few fun questions for the naysayers to answer.
Why did FEMA lie about their presence in New York on 9/11?
Never heard of this. Proof? Link?
Where are the flight recorders?
Destroyed. They are not impervious to fire, being crushed, etc. They're just rugged compared to other flight instruments.
Why were the Black Boxes never recovered ?
'Black Boxes' are also known as Flight Recorders. See above.
Why did Bush stop inquiries into terrorist connections of the Bin Laden family in early 2001?
Never heard of this. Proof? Link?
Why did none of the 19 hijackers appear on the passenger lists?
They did - it's called using an ALIAS. Besides, had they used their real names, there wasn't much the governemnt could be doing to stop them - that's why the Patriot Act was passed.
Who decided to give $43 million in aid to the Taliban regime in May 2001?
Never heard of this. Proof? Link?
Why did Bush continue to sit in that classroom reading to children when he should have been conferring with his advisors?
WTF did you expect him to do? Run out of the classroom, screaming like a Nancy-boy? Honestly, would that have changed ANYTHING?
Why did Bush & Cheney urge the Senate to limit inquiries into 9-11?
To this, I don't know, so I'll take a pass on this one.
[H]ow did the passports of Mohammed Atta and Satam al-Sugam, both on Flight 11, survive the inferno to be found on the street near the World Trade Center?
Never heard of this. Proof? Link?
Was NORAD aware of the four hijacked planes veering off course even before being reported by the FAA? If not, please explain why NORAD which monitors 7000 flights a day, was unable to track the four aberrant flights.
I'm certain that they were tracking, they just didn't want to use the Death Beam to knock them out of the sky until they warmed up the mechanism.
Why was the Florida National Guard called up in the state of Florida on September 7th, 2001 in order to help handle “civil disturbance” and “acts of terrorism"?
Never heard of this. Proof? Link?
Why were the steel beams form the WTC sold and shipped overseas and not retained as evidence? Was the material examined before it was sent overseas? If not, why not?
They were examined. For what, I don't know....then they were probably sold for scrap and/or momentos....
What connections did our government have with the terrorists prior to 9/11?
None. Unless you don't count the kaffeklatch groups.....
· State department negotiations with Taliban re: pipeline through Afghanistan
That would be Clinton's deal.
The rest are just IMHO too stupid/inane to address. Really. I lost IQ point just thinking about them.
Posted by: Mad Mikey at July 15, 2004 11:06 AMIt is so sad to see people entrenched in such denial and a refusal to believe that from whence the smell of shit emenates, shit there will undoubtedly be.
Posted by: Maria at July 15, 2004 11:24 AMMaria,
Don't get so down, Gayffrey had linked to this post to have his little faggot dogshit ball lickers like mad mikey, chuumley and the rest come over to harass you. Yes, that is right, MAD MIKEY, you are a faggot ball licking ass kissing prick.
and gayffrey you are
a DICKHEAD.
Posted by: nunya at July 15, 2004 11:28 AMMad Mikey, you lost those IQ points long before you started thinking about the 9/11 conspiracy theory, but I don't doubt that the thought made your brain hurt a little. If you exercised that particular organ more often, digesting complexities might put less of a strain on it.
Posted by: Maria at July 15, 2004 11:58 AMMaria:
"I do believe that W knew about 9/11 and took a huge role in the entire fiasco and everything to follow . . ."
Well then, you are accusing a person of being part of a conspiracy to commit the mass murder of 3,000 people and you are making that accusation without a shred of evidence. Seems a tad unjust to me.
Hopefully, in a few days you'll give it more thought and realize how silly you are being.
Do you think the entire bipartisan 911 Commission was part of the conspiracy?
How about Clinton and Gore and Kerry and Edwards, have they all been fooled by the evil Bushes too, or are they in on the scheme?
Posted by: Graham Lester at July 15, 2004 01:22 PMAnyone that actually thinks that President Bush and a group of 30 to 50 (minimum) people could conspire to murder 3000+ people, for the purpose of (going to war in the Middle East?, Become Lord and Tyrant??, Oil??, Haliburton contracts??, insert other stupid reasons here) is an absolute moron.
God, How do you people function in society?
Posted by: Black Oak at July 15, 2004 01:39 PMyep, the government and zionist-brainwashed press are EVIL! Islamofascists just want to live in peace-- they're probably just knitting right now. tell that to my family, maria. take your head out of your ass-- believing that Bush had something to do with the deaths of thousands of Americans won't make you any safer from another attack. can you now explain past attacks on Americans by Islamists during previous administrations, or has W been the puppet master for the past 30 years?
there are no complexities to digest here, just a bunch of bullshit. so many of these questions have been answered and explained. but instead you choose to believe some anti-semitic tripe from an internet looney. is Michael Moore another hero of yours?
my God, it's people like you who put us all at risk.
Posted by: nathalie at July 15, 2004 01:49 PMWow....I answer some of the inane questions posted and I get vitriol in response.
Just goes to show that you're capable of dishing it out but cannot take it.
(Nunya: you forgot to mention that I crushed the life force out of Barney Gumble and stole his blog....)
Posted by: Mad Mikey at July 15, 2004 02:01 PMGod it's easy to get a rise out of Republicans. Even when they have everything they could ever want: a fascist president, a war, a shitty economy, a corporate owned government...they're still looking to get all hysterical that someone like me has a completely different view of what's happening. Don't worry! Be happy. You have everything you want. I'd think you'd be relaxing on the beach, basking in the glory of your party's achievements, rather than sitting on the internet looking for shit to get all defensive about.
Mad Mikey: That wasn't vitriol. That was a purely good natured spaghetti lashing. You don't want to see vitriol, nor will you unless you incite some anger in me, which so far you haven't, as this subject doesn't get me feeling half as uptight as it's got all of you.
Posted by: Maria at July 15, 2004 02:47 PM...a fascist president...
Always with the Bush = Hitler spiel. The Left needs to get a new angle.
....a war....
Which one - War on Terror or the Iraq War? The Iraq War is O-V-E-R IMHO.
...a shitty economy...
What!? How so? I'm no econ expert but every (spelled E-V-E-R-Y) economic indicator says the U.S. economy is chugging along just fine.
Posted by: Mad Mikey at July 15, 2004 03:02 PM
going to war in the Middle East?, Become Lord and Tyrant??, Oil??, Haliburton contracts??, insert other stupid reasons here) is an absolute moron.
God, How do you people function in society?
Posted by: Black Oak at July 15, 2004 01:39 PM
You may think they're stupid reasons, but that's pure naivete on your part. That's MONEY baby. And ain't nothin more important in this world than that.
And I function rather nicely in society, thanks. I consider myself a well rounded individual. But then again, society's standards aren't all that high.
Posted by: Maria at July 15, 2004 03:02 PMMikey - the war in Iraq is over? Try telling that to the soldiers dying everyday over there. Try telling that to the Iriaqi families losing their familes and houses.
You are the type of dickless jerkoff that claims VietNam was never a 'war' but rather a 'conflict.'
you are nothing more than a PIG, Mike.
and gayffrey, you guessed it, you;re still and always will be
a DICKHEAD.
Posted by: Nunya at July 15, 2004 03:12 PMMikey - the war in Iraq is over? Try telling that to the soldiers dying everyday over there. Try telling that to the Iriaqi families losing their familes and houses.
Well, you might have a point there....depending upon how you look at the 'big' picture.
dickless? PIG?
I see that you're still using that stunning language ability you have. You're starting to fade though....you forgot to mention my 'mullet'. Pick it up son.
See, Mikey thinks, because he is going to school to be an engineer (of what, who knows) that he is now better than everyone else. Fact is Mikey, your still just a country red neck scum ball and no matter how much education you go out and get, you can never escape your roots. In normal circumstances I would say to an adult getting an education "good for you" but in your case, I cannot say the same thing because your just a close minded chickenhawk.
and gayffrey
a dickhead.
Posted by: Nunya at July 15, 2004 04:28 PMNotice how I try to be pleasant and Nunya is being a suppository?
Maria - Slightly off-topic or more like different thread: glad to hear you’re okay from your traffic boo-boo.
Posted by: Mad Mikey at July 15, 2004 04:35 PMHahaa. A suppository. I like that. Sorry Nunya, but that was a good burn.
Mad Mikey, thanks for the concern. I appreciate it. As you can see, it didn't jar me out of moonbatville. Hahaa.
Posted by: Maria at July 15, 2004 05:03 PMMikey, you can polish and wrap up a turd in real shiney paper and tie a nice big bow around it, but inside, it is still a turd. No matter how "nice" or politically correct you try to be, inside, your still a cold hearted chickenhawk. Now matter how to wrap it, it is what it is.
At least with me, I am not sugar coating anything. You will always be nothing to me Mikey, as long as you continue to think like a nazi.
and gayffrey, yup you're still
a dickhead.
Posted by: Nunya at July 15, 2004 09:03 PMDon't worry about NeoCunt. His mood improves when BK hires him back for the holiday season...
Ding fries are done!
Ding fries are done!
Ding fries are done!
Ding fries are done!
So what if I did work at BK, gayffrey? You have something against fast food workers? Are they less juman than you because of what they do to make money? You should be thanking them because their being employed, even at minimum wage, is what Bush is toutimg as "people being back at work."
But seriosuly, do you have something against people who work in fast food places?
Posted by: nunya at July 15, 2004 09:30 PMYou're right. I'm sorry.
NeoCunt, thank you very much for always making my Burger King experience so pleasant.
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 15, 2004 10:09 PManswer the question, dickhead. What do you have against fast food workers?
Posted by: Nunya at July 16, 2004 09:29 AMI told you, I have nothing against you guys. I'm sorry. Again, thank you for making my Burger King experience the best it could possibly be. In fact, I'll specifically request you when I have my birthday party there next year!
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 16, 2004 09:31 AMYou guys are cracking me up!
Don't pick on Maria - she may still be suffering from her accident. That was my first thought when I read this post.
Maria, are you really okay? No concussion? ;-)
Posted by: Rosemary the Queen of All Evil at July 16, 2004 11:14 AMI can always tell when someone considers me a 'threat' - they continuously attack me.
Posted by: Mad Mikey at July 16, 2004 11:41 AM"You may think they're stupid reasons, but that's pure naivete on your part. That's MONEY baby. And ain't nothin more important in this world than that.
And I function rather nicely in society, thanks. I consider myself a well rounded individual. But then again, society's standards aren't all that high.
Posted by: Maria at July 15, 2004 03:02 PM
Pleae tell me you're being obtuse. They are stupid reasons! To top that off, they aren't even close to why we went to war. I put them in there as they are all the stupid, vacuos reasons the lefty moonbats tout as to why we DID go to war.
I'm not niave about this at all. Do you really think that America went to war to line the pockets of Haliburton??? Please tell me that isn't so (because otherwise you have to believe we went to Bosnia and Kosovo for the same reasons). That is just bad thinking all the way around.
As for your functionality in society - well if you can delude yourself into thinking that our government KNEW that the attack on the twin towers was GOING to happen, and was actually INVOLVED... Then I'm sure those meds the nurse gives daily you aren't working at 100% capacity.
Cool your heels BO. You are entrenched in denial about Halliburton and the likes. You think Dick has no interest in the company that still sends him checks every month? You think it's a coincidence that they were awarded no bid contracts and then went right out and abused that privilege by gouging American taxpayers for meals, oil and aid? Remove your head from your ass please.
I don't expect everyone to buy my crazy conspiracy theory about 9/11, which is why I've refrained from arguing about it. Because I knew when I wrote this entry that even my own choir would shake their heads. I wrote it. That's final.
But if you are so out of it that you don't see the blatant corporate pandering that is going on in our government, then you are the one who needs to get on some meds. Are you so out of touch with reality that you don't realize that power and money are the number one goal and everything else is secondary? Are you so naive that you really believe that this administration has our best interests in mind?
You don't have to agree with me about why we went to war, or who did or did not know or participate in the murder and mayhem of 9/11, but if you can honestly look at this administration and say that money, oil and power are nothing to them compared to their incredible humanity, then you are fuckin trippin on the good shit son.
Do you think the Bush family has been in the oil business and entrenched in corporate deals and investments all these years because it's a fun and interesting way to spend their free time? Wake up buster.
Posted by: Maria at July 16, 2004 01:40 PMp.s. the lame attempts at insulting my place in society aren't scoring you any points, just making you appear puerile and pathetic, might as well give it up.
Posted by: Maria at July 16, 2004 01:42 PMDidn't Cheney divest himself of all holdings in Haliburton before he was sworn in a VP? I would love to see some proof that he did and/or that the 'monthly checks' change based upon Haliburton's stock value or other market-driven financial devices.
Everyone I ask about it just scoff and says 'Oh I have to PROVE it...?' and then they disappear.
Posted by: Mad Mikey at July 16, 2004 01:50 PMSorry ---> I'd love to see some proof that he did NOT divest himself....
Posted by: Mad Mikey at July 16, 2004 01:50 PMCorporate pandering? Oh, you mean Kerry's proposed corporate tax cuts.
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 16, 2004 02:11 PMCome on Maria, isn't it plain to see? I mean, Mikey, Rose, BO, Gayffrey and the rest can see it. BushCo CLEARLY has the average american's best intrest when they make their decisions. George Bush and Dick Cheney are true humanitarians. Why can't you see it?
(/end sarcasm)
Posted by: Nunya at July 16, 2004 02:26 PMCheney may no longer serve on the board at Halliburton, but he most certainly still receives checks from them.
I could keep going.
Posted by: Maria at July 16, 2004 02:47 PMFirst source:
Cheney aide Cathie Martin said Cheney decided in December 1998 -- 25 months before taking office -- to receive his 1999 salary in five annual payments from 2001 through 2005. "He had no idea he was going to be nominated or elected vice president," Martin said. "He was just making a choice about deferred compensation for his 1999 salary."
Second source:
Cheney said Sunday on NBC that since becoming vice president, "I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had, now, for over three years."
Democrats pointed out that Cheney receives deferred compensation from Halliburton under an arrangement he made in 1998, and also retains stock options. He has pledged to give after-tax proceeds of the stock options to charity.
Third source:
Oil industry executives and confidential U.N. records showed, however, that Halliburton held stakes in two companies that signed contracts to sell more than $73 million in oil production equipment and spare parts to Iraq while Cheney was chairman and chief executive officer, the Post reported.
NOTE THE DATE ON THE THIRD SOURCE - this article gets its info from 'confidential UN sources' - the same sources in that oh-so-wonderfully-honest Oil for Food Program the UN ran.
Fourth source:
Cheney became chairman and CEO of Halliburton in 1995; he retired from the company during the 2000 US presidential election campaign, and was awarded a severance package worth over $20 million.
Nothing about continuing payments. Additionally, this is from the Arab News that IMO isn't the most 'sincere' publication in the Middle East [YES, I've read the Arab News before....it was only one of three English papers available to read when I lived in Saudi Arabia in the 90s]
Fifth source:
Democrats disputed that because Cheney received deferred compensation of $147,579 in 2001 and $162,392 in 2002, with payments scheduled to continue for three more years.
In response, Cheney's office said he had purchased an insurance policy so he would be paid even if Halliburton failed. And his office also has announced he has agreed to donate the after-tax proceeds from his stock options to three charities.
TruthOut.org??? Puuu-leezzzzz - you might as well be siting the World Workers Party for all the 'accuracy' it entails.
Nice try Maria. But you can't point to news reports of the controversy and cite them as proof. What I'd like to see is some sort of 'smoking gun'. Got one?
(Okay nunya - here is where you get your panties all bunched up.....)
Posted by: Mad Mikey at July 16, 2004 03:15 PMLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Such good humanitarians those Bush and Cheney people are, aren't they Mullet Head? There is no ill intentions or hidden agenda is there.
Mikey, you are so damn naive that it wouldn't surprise me to find you down on your knees sucking Bush's dick if he said it was for your own good. You are pathetic.
and gayffrey is
a dickhead.
Posted by: Nunya at July 16, 2004 06:43 PMHalliburton also got no bid contracts in Bosnia. Ask any vet. Oh, wait, you don't know any. Sorry.
Posted by: Bullshark at July 16, 2004 06:53 PMSince you guys are all so "open minded" try watching this short film about despotism and then sit there and tell me how just and democratic BushCo really is.
http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=prelinger&collectionid=00178
Posted by: nunya at July 16, 2004 07:09 PMWho decided to give $43 million in aid to the Taliban regime in May 2001?
Money was sent to a United Nations relief agency and then then THEY sent the money to the Taliban (among many other countries). Sending money to UN relief agencies had been standard policy for previous administrations too (and, no, I don't think they were conspiring to help the Taliban either).
Posted by: Jim at July 16, 2004 07:23 PMAhhhh, Jim obviously hasn't been around long enough to learn that:
A. NeoCunt rarely publishes anything factual
B. When you ask him to back up your claims he cries.
C. Once you prove him to be a liar he disappears for a month then comes back with a new name.
Mikey, you are so damn naive that it wouldn't surprise me to find you down on your knees sucking Bush's dick if he said it was for your own good. You are pathetic.
Nunya is being a suppository again with projectionism. Name calling, but nothing of substance.
Posted by: Mad Mikey at July 16, 2004 09:33 PMa "fat sow". Classy.
Then again, dad always told me to look at the source.
Posted by: donna at July 16, 2004 10:39 PMHeh. Newsflash!
"Jadakiss doesn't really believe Bush ordered the towers destroyed — he says the line is a metaphor"
Posted by: Chet at July 17, 2004 04:02 AMI am sure when faced with threats you would take back some of the things you all have said here too, even if you really did mean them.
Posted by: Dar ie at July 17, 2004 06:32 PMNot me.
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 17, 2004 09:03 PMNo, when threatened, you just close down one blog, change its website name and open it up again.
Posted by: Nunya at July 18, 2004 10:27 AMI'll ask for facts again, although you never provide them when cornered.
1. If my website name was Dog Snot Diaries before, and when I moved to the domain name dogsnot.net and the website name is STILL Dog Snot Diaries, how do you conclude that I changed the website name?
2. Who threatened me and what was the threat?
3. When Maria closed down her old DNS and opened one under a new DNS matching her name and kept the same blog name, is that considered changing the website name also?
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 18, 2004 12:14 PMI think the fact that nunya had to type something else to get to DSN is what perplexes him....
Posted by: Mad Mikey at July 18, 2004 02:29 PMYou know what's truly funny? I presented my POV WITHOUT CALLING ANYONE SILLY NAMES! And what's truly sad? Some people can't WITHOUT CALLING PEOPLE SILLY NAMES! Cheers, Geoffrey.
Posted by: bsti at July 19, 2004 02:00 AMI presented my POV WITHOUT CALLING ANYONE SILLY NAMES!
nunya......
Posted by: Mad Mikey at July 19, 2004 09:56 AM"Cool your heels BO. You are entrenched in denial about Halliburton and the likes. "
I know exactly what Haliburton does and why they do it. They are one of only THREE companies in the world that have the capacity to conduct nation building and fix ruined infrastructure. The other (I can't recall the name) has numerous contracts too. The third is a French company. Because they were on Saddam's side, they don't get to play. I'm not in denial. They do what they do to make money for their investors. That's what all for-profit corporations do.
"You think it's a coincidence that they were awarded no bid contracts and then went right out and abused that privilege by gouging American taxpayers for meals, oil and aid? Remove your head from your ass please"
They received the contracts because they were one of the very few companies that could do the work. Also, they have done SO MUCH work for the government in the past (Bosnia, Kosovo ad nauseum) that they have been vetted. They can be trusted. As for gouging the American Tax payer. Whatever. I don't agree with it, but it happens all the time. It will always happen, particularly when government gets too big. So I'm all for shrinking government so that this type of stuff won't happen. Are you an advocate of smaller Government too? As the the location of my head. It's right where it's supposed to be.
"I don't expect everyone to buy my crazy conspiracy theory about 9/11, which is why I've refrained from arguing about it. Because I knew when I wrote this entry that even my own choir would shake their heads. I wrote it. That's final."
Shorter Maria: I wrote something so inane that I figured no one would believe it. But I wrote so I'll defend it to the last - no matter how stupid.
"But if you are so out of it that you don't see the blatant corporate pandering that is going on in our government, then you are the one who needs to get on some meds. Are you so out of touch with reality that you don't realize that power and money are the number one goal and everything else is secondary?"
Christ, are you so out of it that you think this is new? Exclusive for the current adminstration only? Corporations are created for the sole purpose of making money for their investors. Money and profits are the top goals. Free market capitalism at it's best baby. Helps my 401K and Mutual funds too. WOO HOO!!
The fact that they can do that by pandoring/selling their services to the government is not shocking. And it won't stop if Kerry is elected. So jump on the band wagon or move to France.
"Are you so naive that you really believe that this administration has our best interests in mind?"
I doubt they even know what my best interests are. I don't care, because the decisions they are making ARE having a POSITIVE effect on me and my current financial (and therefore personal) situation. Good for me and thee.
"but if you can honestly look at this administration and say that money, oil and power are nothing to them compared to their incredible humanity,"
See above. I like what they are doing as it has positively impacted on me and my family. If keeping Bush and his crew in power results in 20+% return on my investments - then Amen - four more years!!
"Do you think the Bush family has been in the oil business and entrenched in corporate deals and investments all these years because it's a fun and interesting way to spend their free time? Wake up buster."
(sigh). No, I think they have been doing it for all these years to make money!! Good for them. Welcome to America where a college dropout can create a software company worth billions and amass a personal fortune in the billions. Ain't capitalism great!! I hope I have the opportunity to do the same some day.
BO,
It must be nice not to worry about anyone in the entire world except you and your own family and your own financial welfare. I'm envious. I'd like to take some of the desensitizing, mind numbing drugs that you are on. The brainwashing system has worked to it's desired affect. People like you don't give a fuck about anything if it doesn't directly affect you and your immediate family and your fucking portfolio. Perfect. Welcome to dronehood.
"Shorter Maria: I wrote something so inane that I figured no one would believe it. But I wrote so I'll defend it to the last - no matter how stupid."
Not exactly, but nice interpretation. I don't feel the need to defend it. That's the part you don't seem to understand. I believe that our government is deeply corrupt and capable of doing the kind of thing theorized about by John Kaminski and many others. I have battled my little heart out about the actual issues for the past couple years. I have no desire to try and convince anyone of anything anymore. I wrote this entry because this is my fucking blog and I can. And I don't have to defend it. Not because I CAN'T defend it. Ask anyone here, I'm no dud when it comes to putting up a debate. I could argue with you all damn day about it. But that would be futile and I'm not really interested. Changing your perspective isn't on this week's agenda. Sorry that you're not as important as you'd like to be.
Posted by: Maria at July 19, 2004 10:35 AMMaria - why waste your time on these insensitve fucks like BO, Mikey, Gayffrey and the rest. BO summed it up perfectly and honestly in that they care for nothing else besides themselves and their money. AT least BO was finally honest about it, unlike the others mentioned. See, as long as their portfolio is doing well, damned be everyone and everything else. Fuck the environment, my portfolio is doing wlel, four more years. Fuck the poor and starving, my portfolio is doing well, for more years. Fuck the other nations we worked so hard to build good relationships with to be torn down in a matter of a year, as long as my portfolio is doing well, four more years. Fuck the children getting killed in senseless wars, as long as my portfolio is doing well, four more years.
And yes, I do give a fuck about these things and take action. I volunteer at the local level. I recycle. If I am in a park or state rec area and see trash on a trail or near the lakeside, I pick it up. I don't drive big gas hogging vehicals. I don't water the shit out of my grass just to make it look a little bit greener than Mrs. Jones's. I have offered and bought lunch for the homeless standing out begging for money.
Why? Because I do give a fuck about others things besides just my portfolio. I would rather make 10% on the return with good leaderhsip that doesn't want to destroy the planet, rather than 20% with a leaderhsip that doesn't give a fuck.
Gayffrey, Mikey, BO, and the rest of the -1 crew thinks and feels otherwise. Now tell me how they are moral and ethical?
Posted by: Nunya at July 19, 2004 11:00 AM"Welcome to America where a college dropout can create a software company worth billions and amass a personal fortune in the billions. Ain't capitalism great!! "
Yeah, it's nice to be able to do that when your family is already rich and you have an endless flow of capital funding. (sic bill gates, sic Michael Dell). Sure, capitalism is just wonderful, for the fortunate few.
Posted by: nunya at July 19, 2004 11:03 AM"It must be nice not to worry about anyone in the entire world except you and your own family and your own financial welfare. I'm envious."
It's about attitude. I want my kids to grow up educated, smart, and with host of "Kid" experiences. I also want to have them attend college. To do that I need to ensure that I'm OK financially. I also don't want to have to work into my 70's. So money DOES matter. It should matter to you too. Maybe after you get a little older, maybe settle down and start a family your perspective will change. Mine did.
As for not worrying about anyone in the entire world but me and my family, well, nice projection but way off. Granted you don't know me from Adam. But I've done a LOT for those that were less well off than me (and I'm not rich (yet) by any measurement).
"I have no desire to try and convince anyone of anything anymore. I wrote this entry because this is my fucking blog and I can. And I don't have to defend it. Not because I CAN'T defend it. Ask anyone here, I'm no dud when it comes to putting up a debate. I could argue with you all damn day about it. But that would be futile and I'm not really interested. Changing your perspective isn't on this week's agenda. Sorry that you're not as important as you'd like to be."
Well, if your going to have a blog and have comments - you should expect some dissenting views. If you don't like it then close your comments section.
As for changing my perspective - that's something only I can do. And it does shift from time to time. As for my importance -*snort!* - I am so comfortable with who I am it would probably scare the hell out of you. Other people's opinions about me mean absolutely nothing to me.
BO,
I'm not the only one making assumptions here. Just because I am only 25 years old does not mean I have no concept of the importance of money and security. I live and work in NYC. I work very hard. My father wanted the same things for his kids and future that you want for yours. And he accomplished it without becoming a selfish, entitled asshole. Amazing!
"Well, if your going to have a blog and have comments - you should expect some dissenting views. If you don't like it then close your comments section."
I never said you weren't welcome to leave comments. You are welcome to leave as many as you like, but don't expect me to wrangle with you about your point of view or to justify mine to you. I don't have to. It's not my responsibility to fend off every opposing view with a response. That was what I was getting at, but I guess you misinterpreted it the way you wanted to.
"As for changing my perspective - that's something only I can do. And it does shift from time to time. As for my importance -*snort!* - I am so comfortable with who I am it would probably scare the hell out of you. Other people's opinions about me mean absolutely nothing to me."
I'm not looking to change your perspective. I think I stated that pretty clearly. Other people's opinions mean nothing to you? They mean enough for you to leave comments with regard to those opinions. If my opinion meant nothing to you, I would assume you'd just go away.
Posted by: Maria at July 19, 2004 02:31 PMOh yes, and your level of self "confidence" doesn't scare me. The fact that you have a hugely inflated ego just makes you very common. Nothing scary about that. Just tiresome.
Posted by: Maria at July 19, 2004 02:37 PMMaria,
25 years old explains a lot to me. I give you 2 - 5 more years and your perspective will probably change. Mine did - and I've got years, even decades on you.
What makes you think I'm a "a selfish, entitled asshole."? Because I want my investments to return as much money as possible. Because I believe that the capitalistic country we live in is the best, most free, in the world?
"You are welcome to leave as many as you like, but don't expect me to wrangle with you about your point of view or to justify mine to you. I don't have to. It's not my responsibility to fend off every opposing view with a response."
I didn't expect you to "wrangle" with me about what I wrote. My initial post basically said that your post/belief that Bush and his administration KNEW about 9/11 BEFORE it happened and did nothing was moronic.
You responded by trying to tell me that I'm niave about why we're at war. It went back and forth from there.
And I didn't say other people opinions meant nothing to me. I said other people's opinions about me mean nothing to me.
See ya in the funny papers - I'm outta here.
Have a nice life (seriously).
Posted by: Black Oak at July 19, 2004 03:22 PMIt's incredible how once you have run reality through your convolution filter you can spit out a totally inaccurate account of a series of events.
"What makes you think I'm a "a selfish, entitled asshole."? Because I want my investments to return as much money as possible. Because I believe that the capitalistic country we live in is the best, most free, in the world?
No. That is not what you said before. Reread your post where you blatantly dismissed the importance of anything beyond your own little universe. This is not some kind of precious wisdom that accumulates with age. It is simply a self centered attitude which grows deeper as your ego grows wider.
"I didn't expect you to "wrangle" with me about what I wrote. My initial post basically said that your post/belief that Bush and his administration KNEW about 9/11 BEFORE it happened and did nothing was moronic. You responded by trying to tell me that I'm niave about why we're at war. It went back and forth from there."
No again. Your initial post said: "Anyone that actually thinks that President Bush and a group of 30 to 50 (minimum) people could conspire to murder 3000+ people, for the purpose of (going to war in the Middle East?, Become Lord and Tyrant??, Oil??, Haliburton contracts??, insert other stupid reasons here) is an absolute moron."
I never even approached the subject with you of why we went to war. This post doesn't even address that. You made it up. I said that you were naive if you think that money and investments are "stupid reasons" to go to war in the minds of corporate whores like Bush and Cheney. Don't come and comment on a person's blog if you don't want to hear what they think of your comments.
You have a nice life too. Seriously. Maybe in your next one, you will get lucky and come back as a democrat.
Some people can't WITHOUT CALLING PEOPLE SILLY NAMES!
bsti: It's not my fault you're a whackjob.
nunya: Care to answer my request to back up your claims AGAIN?
oh.
Didn't think so.
Looks like you got caught in another lie. That was a dumb one, too.
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 19, 2004 04:02 PMSure, capitalism is just wonderful, for the fortunate few.
Having a "pity me day" NeoCUNT? Just because your business sucks doesn't mean everyone else's does. Some people are winners. Some are losers.
Not hard to guess which category you fall into.
Posted by: Gordon at July 19, 2004 10:02 PMDog Eat Dog
It's dog eat dog
I'm just waking up
The dove is in the dungeon
And the white washed hawks
pedal hate and call it love
Dog Eat Dog
Holy hope in the hands of
Snakebite evangelists and racketeers
And big wig financiers
Dog Eat Dog
On prime time crime the victim begs
Money is the road to justice
and power walks it on crooked legs
Prime Time Crime
Holy hope in the hands of
Snakebite evangelists and racketeers
and big wig financiers
Where the wealth's displayed
Thieves and sycophants parade
And where it's made
the slaves will be taken
Some are treated well
In these games of buy and sell
And some like poor beast
Are burdened down to breaking
Dog Eat Dog
It's dog eat dog ain't it Flim Flam man
Dog eat dog you can lie cheat skim scam
Beat' em any way you can
Dog eat Dog
You'll do well in this land of
Snakebite evangelists and racketeers
You could get to be
a big wig financier
Land of snap decisions
Land of short attention spans
Nothing is savored
Long enough to really understand
In every culture in decline
The watchful ones among the slaves
Know all that is genuine will be
Scorned and conned and cast away
Dog eat dog
People looking seeing nothing
Dog eat dog
People listening hearing nothing
Dog eat dog
People lusting loving nothing
Dog eat dog
People stroking touching nothing
Dog eat dog
Knowing nothing
joni mitchell (Dog Eat Dog)
Dog eat dog
Business is just fine for me. Like I said before, I would not call myself rich, therefore, I am not of the "fortunate" nomanclature. When I say fortunate, I am talking about the Warren Buffet, Bush-Walker Clan, and Packard Family types. What is even more unfortuante is the "old money" power elite families are all going way, taking away with it, any sembelance of humanity. Multinationals like the Carlyle group now run things, and this is worse and more harmful than any terrorist group could ever wish to accomplish. Rome fell because it got too large to handle itself. My my how we don't ever seem to want to learn from history. Could it be because we have Neanderthals like you running around? (grantedm you aren't a real person, just a figment of a poor little boys imagination, but still, the concept of you represents the core of what is wrong and evil in this country and this world).
The one thing Hitler and Mousolinni had on Bush were their motives, as sick as they were, were genuine to them. Hitler honestly beleived the world would be a better place if only his kind existed. Bush tries to wrap up his motives in a blanket of bullshit tries to sell it as some crusade of the righteous and idiots like you buy it. All so he and his dickfaced buddies can have more money. And like a fucking dimwitted moron, you buy into every last drop of it.
It truely shows your and anyone else who sides with Bush's, stupidity.
NeoCUNT is jealous of the success others, like myself, enjoy.
Like I said, don't blame you're failures in life on others. Have a look in the mirror.
Posted by: Gordon the Magnificent at July 19, 2004 11:58 PMNeoCunt is a prime example of the left blaming personal failure on the State. I don't give anything NeoCunt says much weight, though. He's proven time and time again he can't back up his claims.
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 20, 2004 08:15 AMand when have you ever backed up your claims, gayffrey?
Posted by: nunya at July 20, 2004 05:43 PMspin spin spin
I'd ask you to name one that I haven't, but I know you don't have any evidence to back up THAT claim, either.
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 20, 2004 06:27 PMfor starters, you claim that you never change nor forge posts on your blog nor "allow" that to happen, yet a comment I made yesterday was "changed"
do you kno what makes you, gayffrey, and your croonies such horrible people? Because you would find this story funny. http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=World&cat=Animal_Rights
See gayf - you are so self centered and egotistical and uncaring that you do not see the ill of your ways. But in time, you will get yours. That thing they call karma has a way of coming back at you. You reep what you sow.
You aren't a dickhead, gayf - you are just a fucking pig.
Posted by: Nunya at July 20, 2004 07:27 PMWow Nunya, that story you posted was sickening. I hadn't heard about that. Makes me want to vomit when I think of eating a chicken that's been treated like that. Horrible.
Posted by: Maria at July 20, 2004 07:58 PMfor starters, you claim that you never change nor forge posts on your blog nor "allow" that to happen, yet a comment I made yesterday was "changed"
Prove it.
Oh wait. You never prove anything.
Posted by: Geoffrey at July 20, 2004 08:43 PMNeedless to say, I am done with KFC. I will eat there no more.
Posted by: nunya at July 20, 2004 08:43 PM