By Beauty Damned

Preach it sister, preach it. Tell them like it is.

Finally, I am at a place where the host makes sense and sees past the BS of this administartion.

I need to get the stink of Dog Shit Diaries, QOAE and Mad Mikey's Blog off of me.

You could always stop going there.

Funny, they didn't include any of these quotes:

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

et al.

It also failed to mention the mustard and sarin gas shells that were found last week. Those came from somewhere.

Other than that, great propaganda. Stalin would be proud.

Bush is our president. None of those other people are or were at the time they made those statements. He's the one who mattered. All those other idiots were fooled. I wasn't. Like I've said before, I would have voted for Kucinich if I really had a choice, but right now the Bush administration is fucked on so many different levels that there's no other choice but Kerry. It's a shame, but it's true. I honestly believe he will do a better job. If I'm wrong, feel free to tell me you told me so. Just like I am about to say "I told you so" about this failed war.

Actually, all those other "idiots" are the ones who voted to send the country to war. That power lies in the Legislative branch. Some of those quotes were from before Bush even BECAME President. Saddam being a threat and having WMD wasn't something that miraculously appeared when Bush took office.

No but it was a perfect excuse for him to wage a war that he was dead set on waging regardless. I know who those other idiots are. That doesn't change the fact that everything Bush has touched has turned to shit since he's come into office and that all of this occurred on his watch while he was the president. His administration bears responsibility for the failure in Iraq.

Nice dodge attempt.

The POTUS didn't wage war. The legislative branch voted to send the country to war. That includes Kerry, although I'm sure if they'd had another vote he'd have changed his mind.

Ha-ha-ha. At least you didn't use the word "waffle" that time. Boy is that tired.

The Bush Administration most certainly did wage this war, whether you choose to admit it or not. And he and his administration made a whole bunch of assertions that weren't true to accomplish that goal. They pushed as hard as they could to get through the red tape to Iraq and they accomplished that goal. And look at the fantastic disaster it has become. Surpise. He sold his cause hook line and sinker.

Again, if you go back and look at the events leading up to this you'll notice the Clinton Administration saying the exact same things the Bush Administration said. They were making those assertions long before Bush came on the scene. THEN, Congress voted to send the nation to war.

Bush can't go to war unless Congress lets him. It's funny they didn't put that in the video.

Wrong again Geoffrey. The President can wage war WITHOUT congreessional approval for up to 30 days. High school pol. sci. 101.

I'm sorry you failed math, NeoCunt. Let me help you out. 13 months is longer than 30 days.

Let me help you a little more. Congress voted to send the nation to war.

Let me refresh your memory, ASSHOLE, go look up a couple of posts where you said, and I quote

"Bush can't go to war unless Congress lets him. It's funny they didn't put that in the video.

Posted by Geoffrey at May 21, 2004 07:57 AM "

To which I replied, and I quote
"Wrong again Geoffrey. The President can wage war WITHOUT congreessional approval for up to 30 days. High school pol. sci. 101.

Posted by Nunya at May 21, 2004 09:53 AM
"

It is right there, a couple of posts up, in its original form AND quoted right here. Sorry, dickhead, you can't edit posts here to make you look good.

I don't have to. I can just point out that your third grade education limits your comprehension. Let me see if I can bring the logic down to your level.

We're discussing Iraq.
The Iraq war started LAST YEAR.
I refer to Iraq in my comment.
I say the Pres. can't go to war [ref. the Iraq War] without permission from Congress.
You jump in flapping your cockhole about a "thirty day rule" which, while correct, IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE ARGUMENT, since it DIDN'T FUCKING MATTER.

You're mother must get so sick of explaining things to you. Damn, you're retarded. It's a good thing you have the union.

Actually, we are discussing the video, which is about the war, which is about all of the things Bush and his croonies harped on OVER AND OVER about. They so plainly and cleary said they had a smoking gun, mountain of evidence and everything else, so why woulsnt congres vote on it. I would have too if the guy stood up there saying it was all there. But the point is, you fucking prick, people feel misled, jaded and others feel outright lied to because he stood up there saying all of these things but no WMD's are found. Yet, how you can sit there and refute it is one thing, but then, you try to turn it around on the dems, is outright sick. That shouldn't surprise me though, coming from someone who suffers MPD and OCD.

And while we are at it Geoffrey

http://www.wral.com/news/3335837/detail.html

"Lugar Criticical Of President On Iraq, Terrorism
No Concrete Plans, Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Says..."

I guess he is just another Republican who is disgruntled with Bush, huh geoff? How many more will it take before you admitt that Bush a) fucked up big time b) needs to clean up the mess or c) needs to let someone else clean up the mess?

But the point is, you fucking prick, people feel misled, jaded and others feel outright lied to because he stood up there saying all of these things but no WMD's are found. Yet, how you can sit there and refute it is one thing, but then, you try to turn it around on the dems, is outright sick.

You're dumber than I thought. Maybe there is no hope for you. Did you fail to read my initial quotes? Did you miss the high ranking Democrats talking about how Saddam must be taken out long before Bush even ran for office? Rather than continue to try to change the subject every time you are proven wrong, how about you answer the questions. Why did the Democrats reach the same conclusions as Bush? Why did Congress overwhelmingly vote to send the nation to war? Why does Edwards, who sits on the Intelligence Committee, still support the war?

I guess he is just another Republican who is disgruntled with Bush, huh geoff?

Who knows, that article didn't say anything. If you could read, you'd realize that.

Zell Miller called Kerry an an "out-of-touch, ultraliberal from Taxachusetts" whose foreign and domestic policies would seriously weaken the country." How many more of those do you need before you realize Kerry is a danger to us all.

"Did you miss the high ranking Democrats talking about how Saddam must be taken out long before Bush even ran for office?"

Our government has been saying that for 20 damn years already. Ever since he fucked us after the iraq-iran war. They knew he was a threat all along. NOBODY is arguing that Saddam needed to go. The thing people are pissed off about is Bush sold this war as something it is not. A means to an end does not cut it in world politics.

"Why did the Democrats reach the same conclusions as Bush? Why did Congress overwhelmingly vote to send the nation to war? "

Again, everyone agreed that Saddam had to go, but not this way. Not to mislead the world as a way into a war. And congress overwhelmingly voted to go to war based on Weapons of Mass Destruction. So, Goeff, where are those WMD's? It is the question people are still asking and Bush and his little facist following are still dodging an answer.

"Why does Edwards, who sits on the Intelligence Committee, still support the war?"

He supports the fact that we need to finisb up whatever it is we are doing there. He recognizes that there is a mess to clean up. He also realizes that Bush has no plan.

"Who knows, that article didn't say anything. If you could read, you'd realize that."

I was being sarcastic, dickhead. Luger is a high rnaking republican who sits on committee and even he realizes that Bush has no real plan.

"How many more of those do you need before you realize Kerry is a danger to us all."

So where is the good that Bush is doing? What has he made better in the last 4 years? Are we stronger now because of him? I know I don;t feel safer, better off, better enivronment, better educational system, and overall just plain better. I think we are worse. Time to try someone new. And answer me this, what is Bush doing for foreign relations? Last I checked, just about every nation in the world can't fucking stand the US. That is Bush's fault. Time for someone new.

Seriosuly, answer the questiom Geoff, how is this country any better after 4 years of Bush?

And here is an even better artcle about what Luger said, you dickhead.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040523/ap_on_go_co/iraq_lugar&cid=512&ncid=716

~regime change starts here at home, VOTE come November...if you don't there is a world of shit coming our way~

Btezra - you will never convince DICKHEADS like Geoffrey that we need to get rid of Bush.

NeoCunt, are you going to answer the questions?

Geoffery: You're not serious are you in your assertion that congress is responsible for the US waging war on Iraq?

If so that's just incredibly shallow. Afterall, congress was lied and strung along to exactly as the public was by the trumped up intelligence used by the adminstration.

Cul, yes he is seriosu. He is a dickhead, remember?

Geoff - I did answer the questions, you just didn't like the answers. As usual, you will go around screeching that I didn't answer your questions just because they weren't the answers you wanted.

Dickhead chickenhawk.

cul: They share the responsibility. They control the intelligence committee. Hmmmmm. Maybe they manipulated the intelligence, then lied to the POTUS to further their war agenda.

NeoCunt, point me to where you answered my questions.

They don't control Cheney and Rummy going over and setting up shop at the pentagon to pour over the intelligence reports and send them back for rewites if what they have received does suit their a priori needs. Add that to the fact that information was deliberately witheld from congress and lied about and we know full well just who is cupable for this Iraq debacle. This war was steam rolled by the neo-cons aand you know it...or if you don't, you are a fairly rare individual because as the polls indicate, most Americans are now aware that they have been bamboozeled on many fronts by this adminstration.

Geoff - do you really think any of us buy into your little game. You know damn well that Bush wanted war from the get go. Congress had no "war agenda" that hey sold. You knwo damnw ell Bush is not innocent here. Nobody is buying it, dickhead.

And a couple of posts up, I answered them, like the answers or not, they were answered.

You dickhead.

Those didn't answer the questions I asked. Could you post the answers to me questions?

No, dickhead, I will not. I don't chew my cabbge twice. You don't like thw answers I gave, thats just tough. Go tuck your tail between your lil pussy now.

dickhead.

Gee, no response yet HERE from Geoff, and no response yet from "gordon" on QOAE. Imagine that.

I didn't think you could answer the questions, but I was just making sure.

Glad to see you could get mad mikey's dick out of your mouth just long enough to type.

dickhead.

You seem to have a cock on your mind NeoCUNT, is it possible for you to post without making reference to it?

I didn't think you could answer the questions, I just wanted to make sure.

Didn't like the answers I gave, did ya.

dickhead.

I knew you couldn't answer them. If you could, you wouldn't have any problem cutting and pasting them right here for us.

You didn't give any answers. Even a moron can see that, if he can read.

Apparently there is one moron who can't read. You.

If anyone wants to, they can scroll up and see I answered the questions. Like I said you didn't like the answers, so you ignore what you don't like (just like the typical repugliKKKan) so therefore it must not exist.

dickhead.

I knew you couldn't answer the questions. I just thought I'd give you the chance.

everyone knows you are a

dickhead.

And now everyone knows you couldn't answer the questions.