By Beauty Damned

Hi from one of the assholes...nice site you have here..sorry to hear you were banned, truly. This may sound sad, but for some of us, it does go as far as emotional support. I've barely touched a computer, my husband got deployed and well here I am. I did feel bad for ya, but I see you have your own little space, so you can express yourself still..

hey
been trying to meet you
hey
must be a devil between us or whores in my head
whores at my door
whores in my bed
but hey where have you been
if you go I will surely die
we're chained

I'll go back to being a pathetic asshole now..

Man Maria- you say WE used the language etc. Better check out what you really said. We've had alot of debates on this site. For you to generalize everyone with your remarks is pretty unfair to everyone. I know there are people that insult...let ya in on a secret. We've been supporting the people who have not only been deployed but their families also. The celebs are insulting our soldiers, the ones that give you the freedom to discuss and stay off the site. Your type of intolerance is what we have been discussing. Why can't we discuss and say what we feel. THat's what the celebrities do, but they get publicity for it. People have had it with not being able to speak out and this website has been a god send for me. Look at all of your insults in your above post. That is what you were doing at boycott. Not too pleasant is it? You declared a pre-emptive war on everyone that disagreed with your opinion. Get over it! Sorry you "can't take the heat" when you insult and call people names. that is not what the site is about and those of us that do not do this are not going to be classified by you. Why don't you go back and be yourself, the pathetic little asshole that you are! Have a wonderful life "Forever with the sand in your underpants...schmucks!simpletons,negative creep,Can't handle the heat," just to quote your pleasant way of posting.

Oh Sandy. Can't we just talk about the Pixies some more? See, that's my point though, there are so many other things to focus on other than how pissed off you are at celebrities. The world is full of interesting and fun things to talk about and deeply embittered folks choose to sit around and dwell on that singular thing which perpetually chaps their hide. Celebrities who speak out against war. Find a new subject!!!!

The thing is, these celebrities that you are always bashing aren't insulting our soldiers. That's the part you guys just don't seem to get. They are speaking out against a war that many people feel was illegally waged. A political issue. Opposing war does not mean that you want to have Saddam's baby or that you oppose our nation's troops. Our troops are doing their job, what they have to do. They didn't say "we're waging war against Iraq." Bush did. Our troops just did what troops do: followed orders. So that's what this is about? The stinky celebrities insulting the troops? Why don't you ask any NYPD police officer if he is feeling appreciated lately? Or anyone else who has the dangerous job of fighting wars and protecting citizens?

And Common, if you read any of my comments on BH, you would see that my motivation is not to be nasty, but only to speak my mind or sometimes, to try and be funny and if you were able to grasp any of the substance of my post here, you would realize that I am not angry because people disagree with me. I have already accepted that as a fact of life. I am chapped because you guys endlessly berate PEOPLE on a personal level who speak out against war instead of simply disagreeing with their views. I am also irritated because I was banned for making a minimally offensive post which I thought was relatively innocent (especially in the shadow of some of the EXTREMELY offensive things that other people have to say on that site) and I do not think that is very diplomatic.

Why are celebrities allowed to say what they feel and you're not? Excuse me? The country is being run by republicans, in case you didn't get the memo...you're not being heard? For real? No one desires to listen to you get up on a podium and talk about how fat and stupid and what a liar Michael Moore is? I wonder why that is...maybe because it's irrelevant.

Don't you see? There's nothing left to talk about, ya'll are gettin what you want. Everything is peachy keen. We bombed the shit out of Iraq. Don't worry. Be happy. Bush is doing a stellar job. It is the people who oppose war around the world that have been ignored...as evidenced by THE WAR! Duh.

maria
I hear you-I get it and no I don't rant and rave all freaking day long about celebrities, I do have other interests but that site is where I go to unload, that is what it's there for. People that see a shrink probably don't talk about their issues at work, they do it on the couch in the Doc's office...you are just as guilty and sorry but I find you hostile..I mean what was that garbage about me being rough and stough with my afro puff...you're just as antagonistic as anybody.
You think it's sad that we point fingers, I think it's funny that you write a posts about some TV show 24..but to each his own I guess..I'm gonna go listen to some Misfits and catch up on my ironing...take care

I never understood the anger in your posts. Who really cares about Madonna, is that the real reason for all of this?

Life isn't that bad. So lighten up, will ya?

Michael Moore is relevant. He isn't however, truthful. Why did you go to our site and then attack everyone and everything that the site is about and NOT expect a response? Some of your banter was initially humorous. Then it got nasty.

Good luck on your site, I never wish ill will on anyone. And remember...

"don't let the sun set on your anger"

Alfredo: What a monumental hypocrite. "I never understood the anger in your posts." We are talking about the site "Boycott Hollywood" which channels all of its energy into being angry and hateful towards the celebrities who are raining on your war parade. Who's angry? This is the only post that you will find here of late that expresses anger at anything. I generally muse about things which bring me pleasure, not aggravation. However, if I go visit Boycott Hollywood, I am treated to a huge dose of animosity and nastiness in every single post. AND I DID NOT START IT. It was happening there before I arrived. I just included myself in it. Why? I wish I knew...

Maria- DUH? That's an intelligent way to post. I didn't get the opportunity to read (the last post) what you said at boycott. I just came to the page to see if you had any intellectual facts, etc. Yeh- it really looks like our troops finally have a commander in chief that they can respect. It is an insult to every American and soldier to have people making negative comments, like they were at the start of the war, they were trying to demoralize our troops and the country. This is how I feel. Your reply to me was again very heavy handed. I guess you didn't like me throwing your quotes back into your lap but I don't like being generalized when someone else throws a slam at you. I never did this. Boycott is a place where some of the troops families have found alot of support. I don't really think they could have found this support at a celeb or liberal website. I don't know- I haven't checked it out. The main point, I feel, is the celebrities should not mix politics with acting, giving commencement speeches and the such. I would never do this. They are taking away from graduations that young men and women have worked very hard for. I don't have to ask a NYPD police officer if he's feeling appreciated. I happen to live with a police officer and no he doesn't feel appreciated because of the negative feedback, like your hostilities (not trying to insult you, but you were very hostile to me and don't even know me). I am a nurse- do you think I feel appreciated when I get smacked around by patients and then told by the big wigs that I can't press charges for assault. Boycott is about speaking your views. What I have done, when I get attacked, is to point this out and ask the person not to do it anymore. All I saw between you and Sandy was - you made a valley girl statement, so did she. Gag me with a spoon has been a saying since the mid-80's. How did this insult you. Relating to Michael Moore- do you think a majority of the american people want him up on a podium spewing his statements. Why can't a regular american citizen voice their concerns on a public website without being attacked for what they are saying. I don't know how long you've been a boycott. I've been there for a long time and have seen some very good debates. I hope you can come back, post, if there are insults, contact the webmaster and call the person on it. You and I both have the right to free speech. Alfredo & Sandy are right- you did show alot of anger in the above post. And please, this is a site where people, like me unable to get out of the house, can post and have some human contact. Thanks for your time.

Here's a link just for you, Maria..:)

www.31337.pl/

Enjoy, liar.

Thanks for advertising Lisa's site on your blog, in fact, you should thank her.....without us coming over here to laugh at you...well, ok, I'M coming over here to laugh at you....you'd have zilch site traffic..:)

PS.....your blog sucks ass.

Just FYI.

Made me laugh, tho.

Feel free to banzor me...I know it'll make you feel much better..:)

Common: The one thing you're missing is that I am not accusing anyone of insulting me and I am not sitting here whining because of anything anyone SAID to ME on that site. I was banned, for exchanging a few words with Sandy which I didn't see as very serious until I was prevented from making further comments. THAT is lame. As for you "throwing my quotes back in my lap," that's the very last thing that has gotten on my nerves today.

I don't like the whole conservative stance of "liberals need to have a tall glass of shut the fuck up" which seems to be a common theme on BH. I don't know how that is supposed to promote fruitful debate. You don't like being generalized. Neither do I.

Evilmike: stop trying to make your inferiority complex disappear by shitting on me. It would be impossible for me to care any less what you think.

Maria - I think some of the argument is that if you're going to a site named "Boycott-Hollywood" then most of the posters there are going to be venting their opinions about celebrities. Take a look at the barrage of entertainment magazines, fan sites, news programs (ET, Access Hollywood, etc.), that exist out there as "platforms" for celebrity opinion. There are a 1001 networks that report what these people say. Hey, everyone has a right to dissent, but we have a right to voice our own dissent, and that is what BH is there for. Sorry to end the sentence with preposition. I'm going to English Hell. Maybe just Hades.

Celebrities are treated as vaunted demigods in Hollywood, and after awhile they start to believe it. The concept of celebrities taking to the airwaves, podium, etc. and lecturing the rest of us mere mortals is not new. BH is a site where we go to vent our anger at a lifetimes worth of celebrity opinion getting so much attention in our society.

The heated response on a site like BH (IMO) are from a "liberal" society that admonishes conservatives for their viewpoints. If you disagree with the Left, you are a racist, sexist, fascist, homophobic, warmongering, earth destroying, Nazis. No need to explain your viewpoint. The more you try pointing to objective agreements, the quicker the insults come.

If you don't believe me, go to www.democraticunderground.com.

You think BH is a site of intolerance, go there. It is the most intolerant site you could imagine. On that site, if you say something that isn't completely to the left, they call you a "Freeper" (someone who posts on freerepublic.com, and will instantly ban you. In all honesty, I am new to BH, and never got a chance to read your posts that got you banned. What I do know is that BH Does allow differing opinions, you just have to realize the audience you're talking to. Damn, I did it again...

CJ

p.s. I hadn't heard the "liberals need to have a tall glass of shut the fuck up". Now, that's funny. I'll have to start using that.

Thank you for your comments CJ. Point taken. I have never visited this democratic underground site.

evilmike: I love my blog. My friends and family read it and that is good enough for me. I like to write but I am still learning the technical design aspects, etc. This is something that is all mine. Do you have a blog? I would love to see it sometime.

Common: "It is an insult to every American and soldier to have people making negative comments, like they were at the start of the war, they were trying to demoralize our troops and the country."
my purpose for opposing the war is not to demoralize the troops. That's absurd. I think that is a conclusion that you have drawn from your own personal feelings and not from reality. I don't know a single person who opposes the war because they are TRYING to demoralize the troops and our country. It is an insult to my intelligence, and that of every single person who I know who opposes the war (and believe me there are many brilliant people out there who oppose the war) to suggest that there is no good reason beyond "[our desire] to demoralize the troops" for our opposition. Why is it considered "making negative comments" to protest the killing of innocent people? Is the Pope also trying to demoralize the troops by proclaiming HIS opposition to the war? I doubt it. It is an issue of humanity. Of not placing the importance of American lives above the importance of any other human life and it is about accomplishing our objective without going in and killing innocent men, women and children to supposedly protect them from being killed by their own ruler. And that is what I feel. So now we have both stated what we feel. Isn't it grand? We could argue about the war & Bush's motives until the end of time. You will never change how I feel and I will never change how you feel. But do not insinuate that all people who oppose war are bad people who are doing the wrong thing by speaking out against it. I do not believe that people who support the war are bad people. (However, I do think that George Bush is a terrible person).
"[celebrities] are taking away from graduations that young men and women have worked very hard for..." Taking away what? I'm not saying I support donahue spouting off at some graduation, but honestly, what did he take away? "Relating to Michael Moore- do you think a majority of the american people want him up on a podium spewing his statements"? he has made it his life's work, so why not? Just like Bill O'Reilly has made it his life's work to harass liberals. Same exact thing. And Michael Moore has a number one bestseller and millions of people have gone to see his most recent film, so you can't tell me NOONE wants to hear what he has to say.

As for whether or not I am "angry", I think you are mistaking passion and an eagerness to illustrate my point as anger. I don't keep it inside. If that makes me seem angry, I'm sorry. I admit I get excited and can have an abrasive tone, but I don't feel angry or hateful.

Well well Maria, you got banned from BH and looks like you got yourself some company now. I'm truly not being a smartass. I'll be the first to admit that at times I can be a huge bitch and I feel completely responsible for having you banned, but I never asked for that to happen. You like the Pixies, I like the Pixies...you're trying to quit smoking (how's that going btw) and I'll never try again, too hard and i'm too old for it to matter, I've done my damage to the lungs. You have a nice site and should be proud of it and yes it is more than some of us have. I'm sure your friends and family get a kick out of your postings, good way to keep in touch w/everyone. take care

Thank you Sandy. Your civility is much appreciated.

As for quitting smoking, it's hard, but so far I have cut down a HUGE lot. I work for a firm that defends a massive amount of tobacco litigation (no I'm not proud - I felt better when I was in criminal defense!) so I get to read and hear about people's smoking deaths all the time. It makes me feel that I HAVE to quit because I don't want to die, and I also don't want to be one more person putting money in their pocket.

Again, thanks.

Maria, I'm sorry I'm giggling here, you thanking for my civility...makes me sound like some wild ape in a cage...haha..man we got off on the wrong foot huh? I'm from the south and have tobacco farmers in my family and my first cigarette was given to me by my granny.( I was 12) It just seemed like the thing to do,hell all the women in my family smoked and the men dipped snuff. My problem is, I love to smoke, I even like the smell and I've threatened my daughter that when I die she better not sue Philip Morris or I'll haunt her..Oh, I'm losing my train of thought, my husband is blaring Tool in my ear. I went to see them in Denver last year, I didn't think I would like it for some reason but now I would sleep w/Maynard..haha..such an ole'tramp...take care, gonna go see who wins American Idol.sorry but I got hooked on that stupid show. I do want to say to you that I'm sorry for a brief moment I lost my sense of humor w/you on the BH..You seem like a good enuff gal.

No need to apologize. I should apologize as well. We definately got off on the wrong foot.

I started smoking because I thought it was really cool and it was the utmost forbidden thing in my family. My mom has never gone as ballistic as she did when she found out I smoked. I thought she was going to claw my eyeballs straight out. I love to smoke too and I associate it with so many happy things in my life, it is such a difficult addiction to break. I think I can. I think I can...

I also got sucked into American Idol. I think everyone did. But I sort of lost interest the last couple of episodes. So much filler. I kind of stopped caring who was going to win even though the finalists were all very talented.

As for our differences, it's water under the bridge. It's obviously more fun to find things we have in common.

Mothers clawing out eyeballs...I remeber that one all too well..I was 17 when I came home w/a tattoo..I tried to hide it but my younger brother Darrell told on me..my mother said, "Why don't you just tattoo your whole damn body and join the circus" She didn't talk to me for a week..btw Reuben won American Idol..I"m really glad too because maybe he can break down the Hollywood rule of thumb that you have to be ultra thin and glamorous to make it. Wow, look at me being all "chatty Cathy" w/you. Womem can be so fucking petty at times huh? Speaking of tattoos, my husband(Jason) is a very talented artist, went to the art school in Chicago (dropped out joined the military) and he designs tats' for people...thinking about getting another one, it'll be my sixth..This is funny to me, because if you knew me I carry a conversation for shit, I'm all over the board, brain thinks faster than mouth or in this case fingers...Okay, I've had one too many beers and trying to download some old Depeche Mode, yes I'm a cheap bitch who likes to download music for free :)

Maria- I felt that the one's that spend their time talking about the war on someone's graduation day isn't really talking about what the graduates want to hear. It is a special moment and is usually filled with good lucks, and little quips about how your life is going to change after you are out of school. This is what I meant. I didn't want to see another Vietnam, nobody does. I was afraid that by all the protesting, the soldiers who don't have access to all of the TV coverage we do, might think that everyone at home felt that way, that is what I meant by demoralization. I'm sure there were soldiers that did not want to go to war, in fact, probably most of them. I just don't want them to go someplace and feel that we aren't supporting them. They sacrifice their own lives and their families are left behind worrying about them.I don't think the pope is worrying about anything right now except for the child abuse/molestation that occurred at the hands of some of his priests (not a gouge, just stating something- I am not anti-catholic). I get quite passionate when I'm posting at times also. The big objection I had is that you generalized everyone on BH- it doesn't sound like you meant too. I apologize if my comments have mad you angry. The reason I put your quotes into my post-I was trying to explain how hostile you sounded. Guess that upset you- sorry. I have a real problem with Michael Moore, you have one with George Bush. I don't like what Moore did with the Columbine thing- it was no laughing matter (he said it was a comedy). I don't think the families that lost children think so either. By the way, I didn't get a chance to read what you had said before your post was deleted. Have a good night Maria. Jeni

Come on, Maria...

Am I a monumental hypocrite because I saw anger in your commentary? Please, understand that the nature of BH is to vent against those who trash us and our country. I don't give a hoot in hell about most modern celebrities and it does irk me when they sanctimoniously tell me how to think.

I have pursued knowledge all of my life. A life that has taken me through the jungles of Africa and both Central and South America. I have several types of tropical diseases that are incurable(quit laughing, they aren't fatal). I have visited every country in Europe as well as Australia and New Zealand plus many in Asia and the Middle East. I have seen and experienced a lot of pain while providing medical care to people who because of their local Dictatorship, probably won't survive the year no matter what I do. It hurts to have someone you are trying to save die in your arms. But, I guess I am evil because I am a conservative and in being so, I do not have a right to an opinion?

As Sandy and Commonfolk have stated; we do not like to be generalized. Yeah, we may generalize sometimes and that is wrong(and we admit it). Usually, however, we base our opinions of people on what they say/write. Yeah, some of us go a little overboard. Some of us will let you know when you say or write something that is dumber than the talking point in the original topic. I enjoy BH not because it rags on the left(I have a problem with the left due to my experience helping those disenfranchised by them) but because it is fun. If it was a boring site, I would not go there. I used to blog elsewhere but the majority of my friends would attack me personally because I alone among them is a conservative(plus I have fifteen years on them as well). Well, now I blog at a number of conservative sites and for the most part have a ball. I was really confused with the postings you did before you got banned. It did not sound like something coming from a happy person.

All my best to you and remember...

"Life isn't all that bad"

Common:
First of all, you did not upset me by "feeding my words back to me." I did not feel the least bit ashamed of myself when you threw back at me what I had thrown out. Just to get that straight.

The fact that the soldiers may felt bothered in any way by the people that oppose the war should not be the thing which keeps people from expressing themselves. People should not just shut up when they see something that they think is terribly, terribly wrong because those who are obligated to carry out the duty of war may feel demoralized. I have never aimed any negative comments at our soldiers and do not have negative feelings towards them for carrying out their duty, in the exact same way that I would not "shoot the messenger" if I didn't like the news, but that wouldn't keep me from expressing my opposition because I was afraid that I might demoralize the messenger and make him feel like by delivering the message, he had done wrong. That is something he must reconcile within himself. Do you understand what I'm saying?

As for the Pope, and I am not Catholic, I was demonstrating further the point that many people oppose the war simply on humanitarian principles alone, as does the Pope and I think those that support the war need to have a little bit more respect for those kinds of principles instead of just bashing those people as "bleeding heart pacifists." There is nothing wrong with compassion and there is nothing wrong with protesting the death of innocents. To treat those who feel that way as if they have committed some great sin against this country and its soldiers is patently unfair.

On to Michael Moore: Did you see "Bowling for Columbine"? The only humor in it was that of the irony of certain scenes such as his hysterical interviews with people such as Charlton Heston and many others. He in no way mocked the Columbine incident. He portrayed the tragedy and the fear in a way that let the viewer understand how disturbing and nightmarish the whole thing was, and the objective of the movie was to shine a light on the number of deaths that we have in this country each year as a result of gun violence. A problem which does not plague other countries. (Lots of violence in other countries too, just not nearly as many by handguns). The numbers are astounding and it is definately not a laughing matter, but as I think you probably know, many people use humor as a way to shed light on the truth. I loved the movie. If you saw it you might hate it, or you might just feel differently about it altogether, but that is the way that I perceived it. A very serious matter that he addressed in that movie. Not a joke. Despite my dislike for Bush, I watch all of his speeches. I want to know what he's saying because I try not to make judgments about things I haven't seen or experienced for myself.

My last post on BH was nothing to write home to mom about. I just asked Sandy what had "crawled up [her] ass and died," because her tone was very "tough". ...I hope I have satisfied your curiosity! :) LOL! All the best...

Alfredo:

No, you are a monumental hypocrite because I could say the same about yours. It would be so much appreciated if you would refrain from making any further judgments as to whether or not I am a "happy person." As I have previously stated, I think my passion and eagerness to illustrate my point is being mistook for anger. This is not the case. Thank you.
And if you would like to make any further comments, please reread the comments that I have previously made first in order to avoid this kind of redundancy in the future.

As for this statement: "we do not like to be generalized." Join the club. Just because I am a liberal, does not mean that you know anymore about me than I know about you. If you read my "About Me" section, then you could berate me based on those things, because that's all pure fact. There's plenty of incriminating stuff in there, just don't call me something I'm not.

And this one: "But, I guess I am evil because I am a conservative and in being so, I do not have a right to an opinion?" Do not put words in my mouth, as I have never said that all conservatives are evil and I have certainly never said that you do not have a right to an opinion.

And finally this: "I was really confused with the postings you did before you got banned." I speak perfectly good english and I don't have a problem with spelling or grammar, so if you are confused, it is definately not a fault of mine.
Again, thank you. And you should probably go and get that checked out.

Maria- okay, I tried to sincerely apologize to you and explain where I was coming from. Your tone doesn't set well with me. I kept telling you that I wasn't trying to insult you, I was trying to debate. I don't know how old you are or your life experiences but I hope you don't go through life with the anger- doesn't work too well. Sorry, won't bother you again.

What did I do now?! I appreciate your point of view and your comments. Why can I not respond without being the jerk? All I said was that you didn't have to worry about having upset me because you didn't. Was that wrong? You don't like my tone? What tone? The one that tells you what I think as candidly as you tell me? Why does that make me a jerk? I am so confused...

There must be some major miscommunication going on here...

Ok Maria- I actually came back to this site to make sure I wasn't being b....y. I'm chuckling right now because I think we're just misreading each other (not an insult just not that great with words). I wasn't trying to call you a jerk. I'm also confused?! Let's just start from scratch, ok. That way maybe we can understand what each other is saying. I'm just missing something, I think (at least I think, I think). You have your views, I have mine. Let's start debating afresh, ok? Sorry if you thought I was calling you a jerk, wasn't meant that way. The tone, maybe I misinterpreted it. I do apologize if I did. Sincerely...have a good day! Jeni

LOL! It is easy to misinterpret a person's tone when communicating in writing. (As I am still trying to learn as I often take things the wrong way also...) Sorry about that! Somebody give me a valium...! :)

Very true Maria! Thanks for writing back. I'm going to go pay some bills and then take a nap. I hope your day goes well. Jeni

God you guys talk about me enough on BH. The least ya'll could let me do is participate in the conversation!!! LOL! Errrr. Jeni, I saw what someone else wrote about you having a terrible experience with some asshole hippies in Colorado. That is too bad that some people ARE so stupid. I personally do not dig most hippies that I've met. But some people just have a special knack for making a whole group of people look like assholes. As is the same with any group of people. (Just think: the Christians who give Christianity a bad name or the Muslim extremists who give Muslims a bad name...you see where i'm going & the list continues...) Anyway, just wanted to tell you that I don't agree with that type of behavior and that I could understand why that would leave a horrible taste in your mouth.

Your response to my posting proves my point. Sorry, it is your site, enjoy it.

I hope you never have to go through what many of us at BH have had to experience to give you what you enjoy. Be a good steward of it.

There is nothing more for me to say. Enjoy your life.

You had a point?

Maria- yeah, I guess things happen. There are good and bad in each race, religion, etc. It's unfortunate that the bad ones get all of the attention.

Wow, youre own blogger page? Who did u sleep with to get this-Alec Baldwin, lol!

Nope. All you need is a brain which functions properly. Sure is good to have one. L-O-L.

we thought we were the only ones who said crapazoidal.

Ha! Nope! You're not alone girls. But it looks like it's me and you because that google search doesn't turn up a single other thing! ;o)